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I passed my horse to repair. And, while the lords of the hammer and paints over him, a sorcerer took Renault Symbol. My Logan was released in the PRIVILEGE configuration, the same symbol - also not empty. And since it is possible, I will try to compare these two models lying in the intersecting price category. It is imperative to call the set complete, however:
- Full electropacket
- central locking
- adjustment of the seat height
- head unit
- climate control
- ACPP
The first impression - the car is noticeably less. At least in height. Okay, designed, design ... Design - the concept of controversial, but I have nothing against it. We occupy a driver's seat. We customize the seat, adjust the back ... The steering wheel does not have adjustments, but it helps the seat adjustment in height. And since I like to sit higher, raise it to a maximum, after which the steering wheel is very comfortable to go to the hands. Oh! Somehow too closely became the roof, it is easy to hurt just raising his hand up ... and the rear passengers, especially the increase in the average, probably not very convenient (especially if we take into account at the back of the roof).
Management of turn signals, light, washer - just like on other renoshki. And what is it here under the right hand? Magnetic control, however. Pretty comfortable, but requires some addiction. We are looking further.
The radio tape recorder is intuitive, the climate control management is also (in fact, I was not particularly sealed, but I pressed the AUTO button and chose 22 degrees). Information from the dashboard is read without much voltage, however, the right information range is blocked by the rim. The perplexity causes only a speedometer, placed as 10..30..50..70..90 ... Quite strange, the numbers 40 and 60 on the roads of our country are much more common.
The left hand falls on the door armrest, and the windows control buttons and the joystick adjustment of the mirrors are immediately falling under the fingers. There is no armrest under the right hand, but sorry ... set the mirrors. After the huge Loganov mirrors, these look small. Mirrors are quite interesting - convex mirror on the sides, and should show what is in a dead zone.
Well, the key to the start! Moving. We carry out the thick selector box and translate it to the "D" position. Fear will miss the necessary mode of operation goes away - on the instrument panel information about the current state of the box is duplicated. We release the brake and quietly begin the movement, pouring into a sluggish cork. Hmm, we are also not deprived of power steering.
Movement in the traffic jam on the machine - paradise compared to mechanics. They released the brake, Did ahead of the standing, pressed on the brake. They let go - wept - got up. They let go - wept - got up. Contrary to his own expectations, the left foot jerked only once, after which she calmed down and no longer filed signs of excitement. Trokhan on the rise is also a song! We let go of the pedal and go. In the slide, from the slides, in a straight line - everything is one. I am fascinated by a machine :)
So, the cork ends forward! Click on gas and machine starts overclocking. The shift process is barely noticeable, but notice. The noise of the engine is practically not heard - sound insulation is an order of magnitude better than Loganovskaya. IN
the stream machine feels confident, while leaving the fellow, but also without pulling forward. As long as we won't let her do :)
Brakes - rustic than Logan, but also quite lung and understandable. Quite interestingly slows down, gradually switches the transfer down - at the time of switching gears, the share of a second rolling "rolled".
Let's go to the track? OK. Up to 130, the machine accelerates without much voltage, aerodynamic noise is beginning to be added to the noise of the engine - however, not highly loud in order to prevent the conversation or make music pogrom. The car holds the car normally, confidently steals. 110 km / h engine turns froze just below 3000.
There were complaints and chair. Still, there are not enough roller support for the back, and the very seat itself would not hurt to be authentic.
And here is the house. Turn on the back, park ... The back is good, but still not enough parking sensors. I got used to his welding, what can I do ...
So, try to connect everything together.
Advantages of Sybol:
+ Noise insulation
+ climate control instead of air conditioner
+ ACP
+ more ergonomic instrument panel
Symbol deficiencies:
- Close Salon
The advantages of Logan:
+ Big Salon
+ More comfortable seats
Disadvantages of Logan:
- Noise isolation
So, what would I chose personally in the end? Still Logan. Due to the fact that it is more. And if he had in the asset automatic transmission - then only with her!
He took an essential Matiz. Found, as not strange, quite quickly, by calling an awn at the announcement of AVITO.ru agreed to a meeting on the square, where I went from the parental house with the cars. I examined the car-externally no crime, it is immediately clear that "not a bit / not painted", the motor works smoothly. We drove, goes exactly, there are no breakdowns, squeaks, too (inside, as it turned out, crisp shrins). We swept myself-rushed into the eye, that vibrations are transmitted to the gearbox lever, but then it was united that this feature design-switching is not on the cables, but on the levers. And so ... accelerates (after the Matiz) frighteningly quickly, inside beautifully, the transmission switches clearly, regardless of whether you lower or increase the transmission. In general, the norms! Agreed that he did not sell the car. Spoke on the price of the price, agreed on 255 thousand rubles. Then DKP, registration in MREO, insurance.
By expenses:
1. Insurance. Because My last fall was an emergency light (tangential accident) I was introduced into "1st category"because I was unprofitable with me 6400 rubles.
Strengths:
- Not bad dynamics (after Matiz)
- Good and Reliable Design
- Body of stainless steel and plastic wings
- Big trunk
- Thanks to the rigid suspension, neither Klekov neither breaks
- Paint native. Stew too. And this says a lot
- Good noise insulation for its class
- Noble appearance
Weak sides:
- Hard suspension. On the one hand, this is a plus, but I would like a softer suspension
- Inside the cabin is closed. Also as in the symbol grant type.
- In crude weather stuffed windows. He is treated by blowing the frontal. Apparently the hood from the salon is not so effective.
- Many nodes and details go assembled, because of this, the price tag increases at times. Renault Nissan detected.
Review Renault Renault Symbol (Renault Simbol) 2008
1. Flour of choice.
They were almost not. In 2010, we decided to change the car 21099 with my wife (it was restored after the accident) on the new Logan, came to the salon and ... and - wait for the desired configuration for 8 months. Money on Megane was lacked, even with a discount, but here the salon manager came to the rescue (my former classmate) and says - take Symbol, 2008 on the TCP, in the cabin stood as an exhibition, and the discount on it is 110 tyr. Type of machine - Expression (2 pillows, ABS, Music Stateny with a submitter joystick, improved seat fabric, air conditioning, etc.), engine 1.4 98 hp And the box is automatic. The machine DP0, has several additional. Modes - Winter, 2, 1 and D3. And this is all for 450 tyr. (with discount). Logan in that configuration I wanted to go out in 430 tyr. Thinking, decided - you need to take Symbol, which was done.
Strengths:
- Good clearance
- Reliability
- Inseignment
- 92 gasoline
- Engine
- Big trunk
Weak sides:
- Build quality
- Machine
- Closely rear
This car chose a long time, revised many options, I wanted to stay on Logan, but bribed the appearance of the symbol, the fact that it was recently updated (the predecessor was painfully terrible) and the 16-valve engine, which Logan has not yet posted.
Renault stopped at almost immediately, the "masterpieces" of Vase shall immediately, as she opened the door of the priory (she crushed, creaked and with a good effort, I opened it, and immediately closed), I did not want to give almost 400,000 for the car, which else to invest and invest . An option with a Volga 31105 was very interesting, but the impression spoiled right in the salon the jammed door. In the end, chose between the Logan, accent and spectrum. The decision to buy a symbol was spontaneous, nor a little about it regret.
I took the car in the minimum configuration: 1.4 engine, front windows, GUR. Additionally put only columns, radio tape recorder and signaling.
Strengths:
- Successful engine power (98 hp)
- Excellent appearance
- Zero hijaciousness
- Reliability
- High unification of details with other cars of this brand
- Comfortable salon
- Spacious trunk
Weak sides:
- The rear seat is not folded (only in the minimum configuration)
- Little trunk opening
- When opening the trunk in the rain in the opening flows water from the lid
Review Renault Symbol 1.4 (Renault Simbol) 2008
The old friend bought himself this brainchild of the Franco-Turkish car industry in 2009 and managed for a year and a half to drive on it as many as 13,500 kilometers. In principle, he is pleased with his acquisition, but it does not feel much delight, they say "yes, the machine, undoubtedly, reliable, quite comfortable, but if it were also a cut cut ..." With Hatchback "Renault Clio 2", on the basis of which And this car was built, I have "old love", but at her "younger brother" a session "symbol" - still did not have to ride somehow. Therefore, I wanted to figure out how it was possible to disperse the "Renault Klio 2" to dismiss "Renault Klio 2", that as a result, the famous "supelness" disappeared? :)
I will try in my recall about the "symbol" with nothing to compare it. I will talk about what I saw and understood - exclusively on the People's Yakut principle "Motor I see - I sing a motor". The configuration of "characters" can be quite diverse - in this case, it will be about "expression" with MCPP-5 and the K4J-DOHC-16V-98HP engine, assembled in Turkey.
"Experimental Samples" find something "new" in my "opus" is unlikely to succeed, but for some motorists who have never come across the "French car industry" - I hope it will be interesting in more detail to know what is "Renault Symbol "(He is a Renault waist, he is Nissan Platinum) ... And suddenly someone and wants after reading, replenish the multi-million rows of" renovods "! :)
Strengths:
- "Evil Street Fighter" for an aggressive experienced driver and at the same time "quiet and peaceful little machine" for a small family
Weak sides:
- There would be a little smaller "low-budget solutions" in the interior of the car ...
So, after one and a half years of possession of Simbolom, decided to write about him a review. I will describe the machines in comparison with the previous Logan, as it certainly wondered: what is better to take - Logan or Simball?
As spoke in the previous reclision, the reason for changing the car is the fatigue of Logan suspension (whether the shock absorbers, or the springs, I do not know), erased for 100 thousand winter and summer tires, the approaching need to replace belts and rollers. In addition, to be honest, hunting was to replace the car for something else.
I did not actively search for another car, and Simball turned up by chance. To buy certainly the Renault task was not, but there was a small mileage with a prerequisite. Machine 2006 released, purchased in May 2007, at the time of purchase by me (December 2010) Mileage was 12 thousand km. It was a car colleague. Winter rubber was not, because it was not exploited in winter. This is the witness itself, since I constantly saw the car in the winter in a corporate garage, covered with a thick layer of dust (he was standing there in generally all year round). Confirmation of the reality of the run - Talon-1, which was produced by the owner exactly in the year of purchase during the mileage ... 1 500 km :) others did not do on the car.
The first feeling when I sat down behind the wheel of Samebol: "Oh, yes this is a foreign car !!" :) Although I used to the Salon Logan and he satisfied me, but his asceticism and savings literally felt on everyone immediately felt. Torpedo and front panel in simsball although from hard plastic, but richer, in the glove compartment there is a backlight !! :), the buttons of windows drives are located on the left door, and not on the center panel, like in Logan, the cloth seats are better. There are other pleasant little things. For example, on the key there is a button of the central lock when the doors are unlocked, the lighting is automatically lit down in the cabin, and when the ceiling is blocked, there was no such thing in Logan. By the way, I did not put the signal to Simball.
The steering column is adjustable in height, set up and forgotten.
In the backs of the front seats there are pockets, in Logan there was not even it.
The lid of the trunk from the inside is neatly covered with felt, in Logan - naked metal. There is no metal in the trunk itself, since it is all closed with hard molded felt. The quality of the felt is not a comparison with Loganovsky. Baloon, towing bolt and jack are packed in a special device that lies inside the spray. In Logan, all this was attached to the inner sidebar. Felt on the floor trunk hard, because From the reverse side, it will be covered with cardboard. In Logan, it was done by himself, since the floor of the trunk without cardboard is uneven.
The back of the rear seat in the simbola is folded (with the opening buttons neat and comfortable). But it is worth saying that the opening from the salon to the trunk is obtained very low (rigidity), so the hard length of putting the horseradish will turn out. In particular, my snowboard, not a scratch, you will not shovel about the edge of the rigidity.
The central castle applies to the trunk. In Logan, the trunk was blocked / unlocked only the key.
The rear head restraints are three, they are adjustable, in the lower position they are taken into the back of the seat (as in a real foreign car! :)), which is convenient and does not interfere with the review. In Logan, there are only two of them and they do not hide in the back. In my Logan, there were no them at all.
Yes, and more !! The pibikalka is installed normal, and not in the end of the left steering wheel switcher, like Logan !! :) I used to this feature, but many strands.
There are other pribluda, but they belong to the features of the configuration: fog lines are available, condo, regular radio tape recorders, heated mirrors, BC, adjustable at the height of the driver's seat, and still all body parts are painted :).
I will not describe the exterior, so for the majority of both cars freak, Simbar even ugly, probably. In general, the interior and exterior of Renault - sucks. An exception is Megan Hatchback (and new, and old), IMHO.
Now about the operation. The second feeling when I sat down in Simbol - in the cabin closer. This concerns the top of the cabin. My height is 175 cm, and my seat is in the lower position. High drivers space to the left of the head will not be enough. True, I'm sitting vertically, if the back of the seat is lowered, then for high everything will be ok. Close at the top and in the back seat. In Logan, I put my snowboard vertically behind the front seat, turning it out until it stopped. The upper part at the same time practically rested in the rear window. In Symbol, lay the board so it did not work, she also did not fit in the trunk (in Logan also did not fit). Folding the back seat, the result did not achieve the same. I had to buy the trunk on the roof. I was lucky, I found a new one in the package immediately along with ski clothespins in just 5 tr. The woman bought for his symbol, but did not use it. Otherwise I would have to buy a new one. I will say that the rooftop trunk is class item! In winter, snowboards ride at the top (which is very convenient), and in the summer cabinets and tables.
As I said, the trunk is connected to the central lock and locks / unlocks the button on the key. The trunk lid opens with a button that is built into the emblem Renault. The minus is that the larvae for the key in the castle of the trunk is not provided. Literally after half a year of operation, the Cz is, which unlocks the trunk lock, broke, I had to climb into the trunk through the interior to unlock the castle. Now the trunk is not locked. While nothing left. He witnessed a similar picture. A man in the neighboring yard climbed into the trunk through the salon, because in the spring after the winter parking, the battery sat, as a result of the CZ did not work. The doors opened the key, and the trunk - hell!
The opening of the trunk in Logan is more and more convenient, this is a fact. But the trunk of a symbol is more: all four wheels (14 "are placed in it), when replacing rubber in Logan, the fourth wheel was located in the cabin. The height of the trunk is absolutely the same.
Logan to operation in winter is better prepared. Symbol has no air ducts to the rear passengers under the front seats !!! It's just kapets !!! You can buy in the existential, but too lazy to mess with it. The rear window is heated worse than in Logan. In Logan, the rear window was heard with a bang even in minus 35. In Slimbra, the heating should only cope with fogging. Perhaps this is a lack of specifically my copy. In the spring and autumn, Mesaura often accounted for Mesa and Snow. After such trips, you need to work a mixer of the gearbox, otherwise it may not get fifth or rear. Jokes jokes, but somehow in the morning after leaving the road I could not turn on the fifth after such a trip. I had to drive the car into a warm garage to become snow. After that, no problems. The fact is that dirt and snow clog the space between the crankcase and the engine protection, and somewhere in that area there is a drive of the gearbox switch.
Will start in frost Simbol without problems, the battery is native.
Clearance at Symbol is similar to Loganovsky.
In the simbola of the rear door terminats are located on top, so they do not fall on them and dirt as in Logan.
Consumption in simbola less. If you do not sick on the BC, 7.5 liters come out. 50% city, 50% route. Condo is sometimes enabled, sometimes turned off. On the track speed 120-130km / h. I tried to somehow achieve a minimum flow. On the highway went 90-100 km / h, in the city accelerately accelerately, if possible, drove rolling. It turned out something about 6.3 liters. But so even pensioners do not go! :))) In short, 7.5 liters are real expense, and the checks are also obtained.
The biggest cant of my symbol is a clutch creaking. In the heat of the clutch pedal is extremely informative, tight, and still disgusts. It infuriates me. The officials say the "feature of the car." What kind of peculiarity ??? Ride traffic jams (when for +30) - torment. Everything that these is degrees can be rinsed with Karcher and lubricate with oil to the scene. Helps for 2-3 days. In the forums of a response to solving the problem did not find. Such a jamb, by the way, happened on Logan, but he appeared, and disappeared (she lasted somewhere 10).
The first feeling (they were confirmed later), as the engine started and drove such:
the engine is much quieter. In Logan, I installed Shumkov, but even with it the engine of Logan's naked;
transmission in simsball shorter. Apparently, therefore, it accelerates it is black, although the engine is 1.4 and horses only 75;
on small junctions and bumps Simball tough than Logan. Maybe these are the features of rubber, since in general the suspension is no less energy-intensive;
noise from the road in simsball more, but in Logan did Shumkov. Therefore, I cannot compare this indicator objectively;
when the first time he left the highway on simsball, remembered the "young" Logan. The behavior on the road they have a similar one. Is that at the side wind the road Simball holds better.
Subjectively elasticity of the Logan engine is slightly higher, still the litter makes itself felt. It is felt first of all at speed when the machine is fully loaded. When loading 5 people + full trunk + simbol condo does not go. It is necessary that the fifth person leaves the cabin and pushing the car from behind. There was no air conditioner in Logan, so I can not say how its turning on / off affects the velocity dynamics.
Replaced spare parts and breakdowns by 66 thousand mileage:
One month after the purchase (approximately 15 thousand runs), the radio tape recorder died. The officials were replaced for free to a new one. As such happened, I do not know, by that time it was almost 4 years from the date of purchase;
I do not remember what a thousand TZZ lid of the trunk broke, the lock on it has not been blocked since then;
Somewhere on 45 thousand. Changed the front pads;
60 thousand burned near light lamp in the left spotlight, changed;
63 thousand changed the steering thrust (pairs);
65 thousand changed rollers / timing belts and attachments;
Oil, filters every 15 thousand. Strictly not followed. Somehow drove 18 thousand without replacing the oil;
Candles changed immediately after purchase (when he did the first), after that did not change;
Summer times a month, I go to rinse and lubricate the Kulis, so as not to creak the clutch pedal, helps for 2-3 days if the heat for 30;
At 66 thousand for the first time when stopped before the traffic light, the engine turnover pedal was detained for a second and only then dropped back. This is a precursor replacement of gas cable or throttle problems.
So what to take Logan or Simball? Symbol from the point of view of exploitation and pleasures of the exterior is unequivocal more advanced than Logan. There is no absolute savings on everything. At the same time, it is purely technically these cars similar and shoals congenital are the same. For example, gas cable on Logan I changed twice, the symbol appeared a sign of imminently replacement. The clutch squeak squeezes on the 1.4 engines (by 1.6 too) manifests itself both on Logan and simbola. And this is perhaps the most unpleasant cant of these cars. Steering thrust tips go to about the same on both models. Disease of both machines - the inner boot drive of the left wheel. It is susceptible to pollution and in winter it can break on the frozen dirt and ice, on my Logan and it was. Now on my simbolo, it seems a crunch when starting from a place when loaded (in the mountain, for example). But I can't say it now, since the sound was a couple of times and not clearly, it is necessary to specifically determine it. But the crunch of an internal shrus on Logan and Sybolch is also found. In terms of the volume of the internal space, the car also does not differ in principle.
My advice is as follows: If you buy a used car and the exterior has a value for you, then simol, but it will be more expensive accordingly. If you choose from new cars, and with an engine of 1.6 16 CL, then I would take simol. Take Logan for 470 tr. - this is too, and simbol can be taken over 500 tr. in normal configuration. Now new sybands are sold only with 1.6 KL engine.
P / S. if you are told that Logan / Simball do not break, then you lie. Original spare parts for them are unrealistic money. Not the original cost comparable to spare parts on auto class above.
P.P / S. I described Simbol 2006 release and Logan 2007. These cars have undergone restyling.
Renault Simball or Renault Logan - What is better? This question is asked by many, especially those who are just going to sit behind the wheel. Renault Symbol and Renault Logan cars belong to the segment of classic budget sedans, they are perfect for the first experiments behind the wheel. They are largely similar, but there are significant differences between these two representatives of the French car industry.
Let's compare Renault Logan and Renault Simbol and try to establish which key differences between them can be found and at what moments should pay attention when choosing.
What is better - Logan or symbol?
Cars can be compared by many characteristics. The main, perhaps, for any motorist will be comfort and convenience of driving, the quality of parts and the cost of service. Also for many, the appearance of the car, its dynamic characteristics and permeability are important. Moreover, what will be in the first place, each decides for itself - everything is very individual.
Compare Renault Simbol and Logan
Definitely answer the question of what is better - Renault Simbol or Logan is difficult. We will try to compare the presented models for certain characteristics, as well as consider reviews of those who had the experience of driving each of the cars.
Renault Logan
The machine is a budget subcompact sedan, which was designed specifically for developing countries of the Third World. The main production is located in Romania at the Dacia factory. From 2005 to 2015, Logan was produced in Moscow at the autoframos factory, from 2014 it was connected to its production and AvtoVAZ - there is a second generation of auto.
Logan was created on the basis of the old version of Renault Klio and became a receiver of its main features. The main thing is that he inherited is the K7M engine. As a gearbox, an old box of Megan was taken. In essence, Logan is a mixture of outdated technological solutions of the Renault autocontracene. In many ways therefore the price is very democratic. The average fuel consumption is 6.8 liters per 100 km.
The reviews say that Logan is quite suitable for novice drivers, it is strong, reliable and has good passability. Compared to the second model, Logan has big wheels and better feels in off-road, moves smoothly and produces little noise.
Renault Simbol
This model can be called successor Klio 2. Technically, it is more perfect, compared with Logan. The machine has a lightweight body, which is completely galvanized.
Simbol can boldly qualify for the title of one hundred percent European sedan, and it is produced for Europe. Production has been established in Turkey at the Oyak-Renault plant, so that the final price of the machine is not so great.
Those motorists who had the opportunity to compare both models, say that simbol is more comfortable, convenient to control, has better noise insulation and has better dynamics. He is gaining acceleration of 100 km / h in 9.5 sec. (What is Logan far). The average fuel consumption is 7 liters per 100 km.
Everyone converges in the opinion that Logan is definitely inferior in appearance as outside and inside, although his rear seat is wider than that of Renault Simbol, therefore passengers can stay with great comfort on it. By the way, and the front of Logan is also a more comfortable and more compatible, the driver is free to sit in it.
Reviews of car owners and master masters say that in the entire line of Reno in Simball, the fewest all appeals in service, while the breakdowns for Logan are not uncommon.
Symbol and Logan
Renault Logan.
Renault Symbol
Similarities of models:
- Both are produced on the basis of the B-Platform platform.
- And in the other, there are options with the engine K7J 8 CL. 75 hp
- Front independent suspension.
- Suspension rear semi-dependent.
Differences between cars:
- Logan was created for third-world countries, Simbol - for European countries.
- Simball is lighter than 200 kg and a little more modest in dimensions.
- Logan fuel consumption is slightly smaller.
- Logan is galvanized partially, Simball completely.
- The rear seat Logan does not fold.
- Maximum engine volume Logan - 1.6 (90 hp), Simball - 1.4 (98 hp).
- The windshield resistance of the symbol is lower, which improves the dynamics.
Of the foregoing, it is possible to conclude - both options are suitable as the first car. Choosing that better - Renault Simbol or Renault Logan - It is worth a recognition that the second model is inferior to the first performance, durability and design, however, the price of Logan below. Therefore, it is unambiguous to answer the questioned question difficult - it all depends on what is priority for you.
If you plan to buy a car for a long time and are not going to change it in the foreseeable future, you should give preference to Renault Simbol. If you are looking for a workhorse in which the whole family will ride comfortably, and the key factor is the price - you can safely make a choice in favor of Logan.
