After the divorce from Daimler in 2007, among Chrysler's assets was a wonderful platform of the Mercedes M-class. And it was on its basis that the Americans built their new all-terrain vehicle. But still, most of the units - a 5-speed "automatic", all-wheel drive transmissions "Quadra-Track" and "Quadra-Drive", as well as a 5.7-liter engine "Chemi" - the new Jeep inherited from its predecessor. But the rest of the motors are completely new. The Chrysler engineers developed a 3.6-liter V6 gasoline engine with an aluminum cylinder block independently, and the Italian company VM-Motori shared the 3-liter RA630 diesel engine with the Americans.
In our opinion, this engine suits the "great Indian" very much. At least it is more expensive than the base one by 80-100 thousand rubles, but it can boast an amazing torque. Diesel "Grand" accelerates to a hundred in just 8 seconds and, on top of that, does not differ with a brave zhor: in traffic jams, the consumption of "diesel fuel" fits into 13 liters per 100 km. Steep!
But Tuareg also has room for maneuver. It has a noticeably more generous range of engines, among which we found a diesel engine, which in its characteristics exactly repeats the Italian engine - the same three liters of volume and 500 Newton meters. And although he is weaker by only one "horse", this, as you know, is sheer trifles. In addition, the prices of the cars do not differ fundamentally - both in basic versions and with the diesel engines we have chosen.
Measurement error
Despite the similarity in numbers, the cars vary greatly in terms of interior design. Soft expensive plastic, smooth contours of the central panel, warm colors, elegant wood inserts - never before has the Jeep been able to boast such a homely and at the same time chic interior. In a massive, but moderately hard chair, you sit as if on a throne. The ranges of its adjustments are huge, and not only heating, but also ventilation is hidden under the skin. The speedometer and tachometer shine with chrome bezels and are perfectly legible. Famous! But, alas, the Jeep still falls short of the solid five. To make out the tiny numbers of the on-board computer display, you have to strain your eyes.
The multimedia system "U-Connect" is able to send SMS on its own, but it never bothered to learn Russian. For some reason, the automatic mode applies only to the front windows - and this, for a minute, in a car that costs well for two million! And it is completely incomprehensible with what joy the "Jeep" needed to copy the inconvenient "Mercedes" control system for the "turn signals" and wipers with the help of a single steering column switch. In Stuttgart cars, such a sophisticated ergonomic muck, due to an absurd tradition, looks like a cute quirk, but in an American car this feature causes nothing but irritation.
In the strict, slightly lame-dyed environment of the Tuareg, neither warmth nor soul is felt. This is a device made with jewelry precision. Scrupulousness and meticulousness are felt in everything - in the fit of the details, the profile and rigidity of the seats, the distance between the numbers on the devices, the thickness of the rim and the texture of the leather "steering wheel". There may be a sea of \u200b\u200ball sorts of things in the car, from the navigation system to the panoramic roof, but operating all this equipment is simple and pleasant - on every knob and button verified efforts. Only one thing strains: to charge the DVD-changer with discs, you need to climb into the trunk. However, this does not have to be done often, and besides, not all potential buyers of a German off-road vehicle will order a changer.
Personnel 4х4
Despite the serious dimensions in both off-road vehicles, only a couple of rows of seats fit: they clearly consider it beneath their dignity to pretend to be a bus. Moreover, the architecture of the rear seats, with massive folding armrests, is such that they are definitely oriented towards two passengers, although they could easily accommodate three. But those two lucky ones who find themselves in the arms of sofas are unlikely to find a reason to complain about the cramped conditions and inconveniences. Even if the occupants of the front seats of the Grand Cherokee or Tuareg move all the way back, those in the back will still have a decent amount of legroom and overhead - and it doesn't matter how tall they are. For greater comfort on a long journey, you can tilt the back of the sofa more - both cars allow you to do this. True, the very process of landing on the back row does not imply sterility: there is always a risk of getting your pants dirty on the sills. However, this can happen in any off-road vehicle with an impressive ground clearance.
Transformers
In the huge trunks of our rivals, the maximum volumes of which match up to a liter, a mountain of belongings can easily fit. So with such similar introductory cargo capacities of cars, we decided to evaluate on the basis of the convenience of using the holds. Having rustled with roulettes and folded and unfolded sofas several times, we came to the conclusion that the Tuareg should be recognized as a slightly more skillful “truck”. The fact that at the nominal ground clearance (both cars can be equipped with air suspension with the ability to change the ground clearance) the distance from the ground to the upper edge of the bumper at Volkswagen was 2 cm less, the Jeep easily parried the opponent's lunge with a smoother floor. But only a German SUV allows you to move the sofa forward. With a huge amount of legroom, this will not greatly hamper passengers, but it will allow you to transport large luggage without folding the backs.
Five steps is good, but eight is better
According to the passport data, Volkswagen is only 0.4 seconds ahead of the rival when accelerating to a hundred. The difference seems to be negligible, but in fact the German car does seem to be faster. But the Jeep cannot be called a slow-moving vehicle either. Yes, when starting from a standstill and active pedaling, it is noticeable that the 5-speed "American" box withstands a short pause, as if avoiding an avalanche of torque. However, the slight confusion of the "automatic machine" practically does not interfere with confident maneuvering in the dense city traffic. Fast enough, without hesitation, "Grand Cherokee" is gaining country 180 km / h, and makes overtaking literally in one breath. Yes, and the "Indian" slows down clearly and reliably.
But the Tuareg's reactions seem even more lively and perfected - and all this thanks to the new box of the Japanese company Aizin, which deftly moves through its eight stages, constantly maintaining optimal crankshaft speed. As a result of its activities, Volkswagen is always ready for powerful jerks, regardless of what numbers are currently appearing on the speedometer. And this, mind you, in the usual box mode. But there is also a sporty one, which seeks to keep the diesel in the very tone of the torque. When the selector lever is set to the S position, the Tuareg becomes not only fast, but even a little sharp. Thank God, the brakes have enough strength and a margin of safety to besiege a hot off-road vehicle in time.
Sports and recreation
Ask why a big, tall and heavy car needs the ability to drive fast? That's the point, that "Tuareg" is characterized by an active life position. And taking turns on it is no less exciting than accelerating violently. Neat, with tides in the grip points, the steering wheel makes only 2.7 turns from lock to lock. However, Volkswagen is not nervous neither on the high-speed line, nor in bends - it is the very embodiment of steadfastness! It seems that even a blast wave will not lead him astray. At the same time, he effortlessly rearranges from row to row, marking maneuvers with microscopic rolls. But what is most impressive is how accurately, easily and recklessly this car writes turns. Just a fine fellow!
The steering wheel of the Jeep rotates 3.8 turns, moreover, it looks more like a decoration than a tool: thick and beautiful, with a wooden upper sector. And this, in our opinion, very accurately reflects the nature of the current "Grand Cherokee". The car drives quite reliably, but it is pleasant to drive it, as they say, with laziness, grasping the steering wheel with one hand and hoisting your elbow on the windowsill. Without changing posture, you can even accelerate to 160 km / h on a straight line, and the "American" will not mind at all. But active actions are clearly not for him. Perceptible rolls and a "dumb" steering wheel soon discourage diving from row to row and quickly walk around corners. In addition, during the shooting of the cover, when it was necessary to go side by side with the Tuareg, already at 90 km / h, a sharp movement of the steering wheel had to stop the Jeep's desire to jump off the trajectory. What is interesting is that the track, joints and pits pull the car only at speeds up to 120 km / h, and with further acceleration they come to naught.
What will you please?
Despite the impressive ground clearance (220 mm), equipped with a standard transmission "Tuareg" still cannot be called a real off-road vehicle - it is rather a "SUV" or, as they say today, a crossover. Full-time all-wheel drive, limited slip center differential and traction control that simulates cross-axle locks are excellent support on asphalt or brushed gravel at any time of the year. However, for a real off-road such weapons are not enough. However, true adventurers can order air suspension, which can increase the ground clearance up to 300 mm, and the so-called "Terrane-Tek" package, which includes a "lowering" and rigid inter-axle and rear inter-wheel differential locks. Our Tuareg was in just such an outfit and even demonstrated excellent cross-country ability on road tires. However, keep in mind that the razdatka with "lowering" and differential locks are available only for the version with a 3-liter 240-horsepower diesel engine.
Jeep is more loyal to off-road adventurers. With an equal ground clearance with the rival, it already has a downshift and a rigid central differential lock in the base. For some money, you can also add air suspension here. Let its maximum height be 30 mm lower than that of Volkswagen, but having 270 mm “under the keel” is also not bad at all. In the more expensive Overland, in addition to the already mentioned pneumatics, there will also be real locks for both cross-axle differentials. On a circle it turns out even steeper than that of the most charged "Tuareg". If the Jeep had not aluminum, but more durable steel suspension arms, we would unconditionally give it an A for cross-country ability.
This is more than a regular passenger car. It is "lighter" and "airier" than the usual jeep. Master of city roads and off-road conqueror. Perhaps it is for the combination of such contradictory traits in the character of the crossovers and nicknamed "crooks. Whatever it was, but to have such a car in your garage is now both fashionable and practical. It is easy to assess crossover capabilities if. So we arrange a duel, which will determine which car is better - Tuareg or Grand Cherokee.
Volkswagen Tuareg and Jeep Grand Cherokee - which is better?
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So, let's start a comparison. Who is Tuareg and what is it eaten with? This car is a favorite. Was born in 2002, and in 2010 its "extreme" version was released.
German car Volkswagen Touareg - the pride of its designers
In order for the new model to “shoot”, the Germans spared neither creativity nor funds. Judge for yourself. Volkswagen Touareg is the first VIP-class rogue. In it three elements harmoniously merged: character, comfort of a sedan and drive of sports cars. Even the name of this crossover has a twist. Tuaregs or in another way the knights of the desert - as the nomads of the Sahara were once called.
Bigger and ... lighter
Perhaps our iron "knight" will not feel confident in the desert, but in the city - he still needs to look for competitors. Tuareg, born in 2010,. It is larger and at the same time (due to the use of more modern materials) lighter than their predecessors... Due to the fact that the car was able to "lose" weight, it became more obedient in management and more economical in operation.
Test drive a Volkswagen Touareg car:
The design of the tenth "knight" is in the best traditions of Volkswagen, only it is made in step with the times. , in particular, due to the chrome grille and the unusual shape of the headlights.
"Matured" salon and trunk
In the design, we managed to avoid the use of many small details and place only the main accents. As a result, it looks solid, tasteful and laconic. By the way, as a result of the fact that the car “grew” in length and width, the cabin became more spacious, which was already appreciated by passengers. "Matured" and the trunk, now its volume reaches 1570 liters.
Multifunction and safety sensor
You will drive the Tuareg using a multifunctional steering wheel. In the basic version, you also get a heated seat function, climate control, a modern display and, as well as central locking.
The Tuareg is provided by the Bosch ABS Plus system and ACC cruise control. Plus - a special sensor is installed, which assesses the situation on the road and "throws out" the airbags in the event of a traffic accident.
This is a four-wheel drive vehicle. The car is equipped with an 8-speed gearbox and different power.
Far from "Brick"
Recall that at the beginning of the article it was about comparing which car is cooler - Jeep Grand Cherokee or Tuareg. A little carried away by the acquaintance with the handsome Volkswagen, now we restore justice and set off on an impromptu trip.
Jeep Grand Cherokee becomes “lighter” and more economical with each new modification
The most "fresh" version of the Jeep Grand Cherokee was released in 2013. Domestic motorists have known this "Yankee" for a long time. For its size and characteristic external brutality, from the very beginning it received the corresponding nicknames "Brick" and "Wide".
Agree, certain "heavy" associations immediately pop up. But the "younger" Grand, on the contrary, surprised everyone with how nimble and economical he can be. Diesel Cherokee picks up speed in just 8 seconds and eats modestly: about 13 liters per hundredth.
Home trip
The manufacturers were also able to surprise with the interior decoration. It is made of expensive plastic in warm colors. There are wood inserts. Everything looks like home whether. Even when you sit in the driver's leather seat, you feel very relaxed. Massive like a throne, it can be easily adjusted for a specific driver. The chair has heating and ventilation options.
Interestingly, manufacturers have taught the built-in multimedia system to send SMS. True, until this "clever girl" has learned Russian.
Test drive the Jeep Grand Cherokee:
Bi-xenon headlights, parking sensors, leather interior, alarm, metallic paint - all this is included in "Shirokoy".
Cooler than the president
In general, it cannot be denied that the Grand Cherokee is good-looking. The drivers even joke that if Shirokiy had taken part in the election of the head of state, then Mr. Putin would not have made it into the second round. They say that by far the Cherokee SUV in the world.
And can the Tuareg compete against the Grand Cherokee in terms of roominess? Here . Despite the solid dimensions, the classic number of seats is provided in the salons - five. Although, looking at the body from afar, in both cases one might think that an additional row of seats is installed in the cabin.
How is it going and how much does it cost?
When choosing Tuareg or Cherokee, it is important to know that these cars (in the diesel version) have much in common in terms of technical characteristics. Four-wheel drive, eight-speed automatic, comparable power (the Cherokee engine gives 241 "horses", and the Tuareg - 240 "horses").
| Car model: | Volkswagen Touareg | |
| Manufacturer country: | Germany | USA |
| Body type: | sUV | sUV |
| Number of places: | 5 | 5 |
| Number of doors: | 5 | 5 |
| Engine displacement, cubic meters cm: | 2967 | 2987 |
| Power, hp with. / about. min .: | 240/4400 | 241/4000 |
| Maximum speed, km / h: | 218 | 202 |
| Acceleration to 100 km / h, s: | 7,8 | 8,2 |
| Type of drive: | full | full |
| Checkpoint: | 6 automatic transmission, 8 automatic transmission | 8 automatic transmission |
| Fuel type: | diesel | diesel |
| Consumption per 100 km: | city \u200b\u200b8.8; track 6.5 | city \u200b\u200b9.3; track 6.5 |
| Length, mm: | 4795 | 4828 |
| Width, mm: | 1940 | 1943 |
| Height, mm: | 1709 | 1802 |
| Clearance, mm: | 159 | 150 |
| Tire size: | 235/65 R17 | 265/60 R18 |
| Curb weight, kg: | 2174 | 2403 |
| Full weight, kg: | 2860 | 2949 |
| Fuel tank volume: | 85 | 93,5 |
If we compare the Tuareg and Grand Cherokee in value, then the Volkswagen protégé is almost 200 thousand rubles cheaper. (The cost of the Jeep is just over two million rubles). At the same time, they do not differ much. Scheduled maintenance of Tuareg after 60 thousand kilometers will take about 78 thousand rubles. In the case of Cherokee, this amount will be 87 thousand rubles.
Who will win?
So what's the result? Who wins our impromptu race of the best crossovers - Tuareg or Cherokee?
Let's be honest: although it is not a driver's dream, it boasts good equipment and does an excellent job off-road. This car, although more expensive than its competitor, is considered the best in its segment.
And what about Volkswagen? He also has something to show. Cool interior, good handling and famous German quality. These trump cards in the sleeve of the Tuareg cannot be taken away from him.
Well, Touareg or Grand Cherokee - the choice is ultimately yours.
Interestingly, anyone is now thinking about the question: what cars, after some time, will be considered the classic SUVs of the beginning of the century? Modern Jeep Grand Cherokee and Volkswagen Touareg have every chance of getting into a similar pantheon.
What models of modern cars will be nostalgic for fans of off-road adrenaline in twenty or thirty years that way? With the classics of the Land Rover Defender, which has been sent to eternal rest for several years already, or with indestructible modifications of the mossy UAZ "goat", everything is clear - this is a transport for "aesthetes" and forcedly hardy military men.
The first of the heroes of this article, the Jeep Grand Cherokee, is one of the freshest manifestations of the American school of civil all-wheel drive motoring. In contrast, something European suggests itself. And practically the only suitable candidate is the latest generation Volkswagen Touareg. Of course, an off-road classic, even a classic of the distant future, must be diesel.
It is convenient to compare these cars with each other: in the lists of configurations of both there is a 3-liter diesel engine, aggregated with an automatic transmission. And the cost of such cars "in the base" is about the same - slightly for two million rubles. One glance at the cars is enough to understand that one of them is from overseas, and the second is the flesh of the largest European automaker. Anyone who is even a little interested in cars knows that if you have seen at least one Volkswagen, consider yourself familiar with all the other cars in the company's lineup. The Touareg is no exception in this regard. The corporate style is manifested primarily in the forms of external optics and radiator grill. And other exterior details, including the curves of the silhouette lines, quite unequivocally hint at a relationship with the same Golf, for example.
The Grand Cherokee is a little different. That he is American-style brutal, no one can doubt. This Grand has lost a fair share of the classic attributes of the old "Indians", but the main thing remains. One of the past generations of Cherokee in Russia, not without reason, was referred to for its characteristic appearance as a "brick". The current Grand has partly followed the path of the "ancestor". To round off the description of the exterior, we note that when looking in profile at the "muzzle" of the car, the combination of the lines of the hood, bumper and head optics forms a strong association with the helmet of the imperial stormtrooper from the infamous "Star Wars". Which once again confirms that Grand is one hundred percent Yankees.
Inside, each of the classics of the future confidently continues the storyline begun by the exterior. The interior of the Touareg, like any Volkswagen, does not even resemble, but almost copies the interior decoration of its other passenger "namesakes". Adjusted for wood and "skin-mug" in the decoration, of course. This is especially true for various details of the second plan, like all kinds of switches. And when you look at the dashboard, you realize that you've already seen it. And more than once. To make a serious claim to "Volkswagen" ergonomics, you have to try hard. And in this regard, it becomes partly understandable why the firm deliberately fell into the trap of the stylistic monotony of its models. The reason, apparently, is this: nothing that the insides of all our cars are like a blueprint, but everything is of high quality, logical, in the right place and at the optimal angle. And this approach applies to everything: from the principles of navigation of the proprietary multimedia system with a touchscreen display and ending with the rigidity and degree of lateral support of the driver's seat. General impression: boring, of course, but everything is of high quality, convenient and practical.
As befits a typical "American", the logic of organizing the interior of the Grand Cherokee is completely understandable and familiar to an overseas aboriginal, but in places it is strange for a person accustomed to European cars. Not even having time to fix your attention on some specific details of the cabin, you realize that you are sitting in an "American". Despite not the quality of finishing materials, despite all the richness of the equipment, there is an imperceptible Asian feel in the interior design. Not a modern, luxury one, but that first-born, with which the eastern auto industry long ago first showed the world its face with resolutely pulled eyebrows and a samurai gleam in the eyes. However, we simply associate these somewhere too chopped, somewhere too rounded lines with a low-grade Asian design. At one time, at the end of the last century, such touches were the trademark of the American car industry. Yankees in their America drove such cars and did not soar at all over such trifles! Globalization is forcing all automakers to catch up to a certain common standard of design and workmanship, but national "ears" to one degree or another stick out here and there. And that's great!
By and large, Jeep will offer its Europeanized owner two main reasons to change ergonomic habits. First, the steering column switches. In fact, he is one - left. On the right, according to American folk tradition, the "poker" of the AKP selector should stick out. Since such an ergonomic nuance looks too exotic for the average European, cars with a selector located in a more familiar place for us - between the front seats are supplied to the Old World markets. As a result, the left steering column switch, forced to work for two, is somewhat overloaded with functions, in the European view. However, this is typical of all models of the American market, adapted for sales on the continent. Secondly, it would still be possible to blame the monitor of the multimedia center on the center console overloaded with information, but this is pure taste. The same, however, applies to the front seats, which do not shine with lateral support.
On the move, especially when maneuvering in tight spaces and when driving around town, a more serious flaw emerges. The powerful front pillars of the Grand Cherokee, complete with massive "mugs" of the exterior mirrors, create blind spots for the driver that are too large by modern standards.
On the other hand, this feature fits perfectly into the overall image of the car. While driving it, you feel that you are driving a large and powerful car. You look from behind the wheel at the bonnet sticking out in a cargo way and you are imbued with the meaning of the expression “you sweep a thing!”. At speed, of course, you will not find any analogies with the management of trucks. A 240-horsepower diesel engine paired with a 5-speed "automatic" powerfully, but smoothly moves the car both in the city and on dirt roads. Few of the potential owners would dare to drive the Grand into serious "mud", even if there is an air suspension that seriously increases the ground clearance. But this modern "classic SUV" will conquer any curb or city snowdrift playfully.
And the Touareg, with a similar off-road armament both in terms of transmission and in terms of air suspension, is perceived in a completely different way in dynamics and control. There is no trace of such an important feeling for some that you are piloting a cast iron iron. Almost any size Volkswagen drives like a car. Yes, with some correction for the weight and height of the driver's seat above the road, but you still feel like driving a car, even if you crack! And the dynamics here are absolutely light! 200 diesel horses and, most importantly, a modern 8-speed "automatic" cheerfully kick you in the back during intense acceleration. Comparing the dynamic abilities of cars, you quickly realize that the "German" is at least slightly faster, but faster. And the point here, apparently, is not that the "American" is a hundred kilograms heavier (about 2.2 tons versus 2.1). The "extra" 40 horsepower under the hood of the Grand (240 versus 200 for the Touareg) more than compensate for this annoying nuance. Volkswagen gets a noticeable head start thanks to the box. Still, eight closely spaced gears accelerate the car much better than five conventional ones. And in terms of off-road qualities, these fearless conquerors of city snowdrifts and summer cottages are quite worth each other. And the optional air suspension, which increases the Touareg's ground clearance to an impressive 300 millimeters, plays an important role here.
Text: Magazine "MKmobil"
Comments 39 Add commentare you willing to pay 500,000 rubles for the difference in acceleration to 100 km / h in 0.4 seconds? if yes, take a toilet .. oh sorry, Tuareg ... In the OVERLAND configuration, the grand will be in full mince, and vw is a dummy ... why would the price tag be raised if the cars are the same?
and in general, the author is nonsense ... the Tuareg has 245 horses in the same way ... the one with a capacity of 204 burgher mules accelerates almost a second slower ... in general, as they wrote above, nothing + neither in the tooth with a foot nor in the snout with bast shoes in the subject ... 4x4 and sometimes they get stupid at the wheel, but then some kind of MKmobile ... ugh
you look at the SUV magazine on the Internet, there the first and second places are occupied by Tuaregs, i.e. in the aggregate of qualities, this is the best car among all-wheel drive.
what is the grand good for stuffing? -the outdated ML, which never stood out in anything. it's like the Volga, which closed, they took the old Chrysler and called it Cyber. So the difference is not half a Lyam during acceleration.
Before assessing things, you must either have these things or at least deal with them. You did not own a Tuareg, you didn’t even drive 1000 km to understand this car, for which people pay money. As an owner, I say to you, very worthy car \u003d big passenger car. Who needs what from the car.
Hello dear, haven't read for a long time ... :)
To begin with, magazines are the fiercely subjective opinion of journalists who block the center differential. on patriots and front-wheel drive RAV4 and similar nonsense they write, that is, in general, not that they are not competencies, but sometimes they are simply inadequate. It's kind of about the first and second places there.
Second: Grand is good at least because it is not assembled in Kaluga and Kaliningrad. I will give an example that I have already given you when the new 3.6 Tuareg, after 2 weeks of operation, began to go to the service with all kinds of stupid sores. How do you know why I rate a car? you don't have to be a chef to evaluate a dish, let's also say "did not work on VAG, you can not evaluate ..."
Third: For babos, Tuareg can be brought from the states of the Grand in the state-of-the-art Laredo with a HEMI engine with 352 horses, or from scratch in Russia to buy an SRT-8 with 465 mares ... In short, thirdly, the Grand is good at an adequate price.
What's wrong with the ML platform? so that the cars on it live long and reliable? Old does not mean bad, they salivate a lot on G-series Mercedes that they still do, so what?
and I would not call the Tuareg the best option for a large passenger car.
Zdarov, glad to hear from you!
tuareg can be ordered and not Kaluga.
an example about sores, there were cases when a friend's engine was closed on a new Kruzak in a week, this is a special case and does not mean that the Land Cruiser from Toyota is a bad and fragile car.
about the cost: I bought sneakers on the market for 350 Chinese rubles, and comrade Adidas took it for 5000, and he and I played football, only I also scored a goal.
the price for the grand is pleasant and it looks even more expensive than it costs, like all Americans, like the Tahoe, for example, but this does not mean that other more expensive cars are bad, this is just inadequate politics and the greed of our dealers.
if we take the criterion of values, then for the Foltz I will say, the previous model was worth its money, the new one is clearly not worth such money, even taking into account the local tightening of the wheels in Kaluga. Even the unfoundedness of the Prado for 2800 thousand or Kruzak for 3200 thousand.
mears ML is comfortable, but rolly, zheleisty.Ya drove a Mers around Moscow and could not keep up with my friend on golf.
Gelendvagen, this is a completely different conversation, it was developed when a foreign car was taken for life, and then passed on to children and grandchildren.
It's nice to have conversations with you, you’re alive, I don’t know how to put it more precisely, so what option do you like in the role of a big car. Try a couple of options if I were zlotov: tacho, trailblazer, expedition, explorer, something like this?
as if the greed of dealers does not justify the fact that for the same amount we get one car more than another ... I think there is no need to argue here. In general, VAG turns its cars more and more expensively, but justifiably ... Just imagine that a person has 3200 on hand and for this money he gets more car in the person of Jeep than in the person of VW, that's all the salt. There are no more claims to Volks as to a mobile phone than to everyone else, it would be even less if he went for the Jeep price tag at maximum speed. It is much more expensive, and the price, excuse me, is one of the most important consumer "qualities" in Russia.
About ML: rolly? - we put other amma with pumping, not nra pneuma? - shift + delete it and everything and everything will be gorgeous. And helik just cited as an example as another representative of the oldest platform, but not the worst one, in ML the same situation ... There we have on Discovery 3 one person on our "repaired" roads in the city (!!!) lost a bridge, old SUVs were made of better quality, on my personal body steel thickness of 1.4 mm ... I get up on the hood, but it does not even miss. I'm not a fan of rassusolivat that earlier the grass was greener and the sky was bluer, but the fact that now such bodies are not already made is a fact. When the axle shaft (I will not say which SUV) is cut into nickels with a cleaver, this is too much, and you still scold ML ... you have to pray that she is still alive.
And about cars: tacho is yes, the trail is EXT-shny current, and Fords are not ... a suburban in the 2500 base that would be in category C and we get a giant SUV under 400 hp. with a reinforced cargo base and a penny tax, everything is legal ... hardly anymore. But ideally, this is Tahoe, the LTZ price tag of 2200 is a penny ... having the amount of Prado in your hands - you can get such a tuning for half a multi-step - you will rock.
What is there to argue about !! Tuareg is a Foltzian consumer goods for a lot of money with a golf interior ...... A completely soulless auto and a creation of marketers. And the Cherokee is a living legend and a real American SUV! By sight. Just recently I saw a new Grand Cherokee in the parking lot and a new Tuareg was almost nearby ... God. The difference in the form is incomparable !!! Everyone turned their heads at Grand. Monumental like a rock ..... And Tuareg .......... no kind and nothing. The idea of \u200b\u200bthe Voltsevites to make their cars similar is flawed in essence. But as they say, everyone chooses their own .......
Said Yurik driving a ten year old shed.
What, nah, Cherokee legend - this is the em ale of the last century, shoved outdated technology on a chopped brutal body. There from the legend candy wrapper.
Tuareg is a perfect technological device with excellent motors.
Well, well .... I'd rather drive a ten-year-old American shed than a much fresher Folz!) Folts are a complete misunderstanding and overpriced. By the way. My ten-year-old shed has everything that appeared in a similar Sharan only in 2011. and then as an option (electric doors, pressures, etc., etc.) And something that Voyagers have always had (reliable suspension, body, visibility, etc.) in Foltz Sharan seems to never appear ...
About Cherokee and Tuareg. What are you talking about?! Tuareg looks in comparison with the new Cherokki, like a plump Golf) It's outside. And inside - this is Golf Paszat. The Vag people themselves boast (have found something to brag about) of the similarity of the interior of their cars.
Everything in Tuareg is designed for a heartless sad burgher. And Chirokki is an incredibly bright and charismatic car and a living, I repeat, a living legend. It's a pity that I didn't take a picture of the new Chirocchi and the new Tuareg standing next to each other in the parking lot. The latter, in my opinion, ABOUT ANYTHING ..) Especially looked after the glances of people passing by. Everyone was staring at Chirk, at Tuareg, zero emotion ...
This is by design. In terms of equipment, for an equal amount, the Tuareg, in comparison with the super equipment of the Chirk, will be naked and without pants, like his African namesake from the wild tribe of Tuareg nomads)))
You see, attracting attention is not an indicator that the car is good, if a wheelbarrow that has got into an accident, without glass and doors with a crumpled roof, is pulled on a halyard to the service, people will also turn at it. A loud appearance is a twisted show-off, if there is nothing else to hook on.
The interior of the Tuareg does not overlap with the younger models in any detail, it is absolutely its own for a specific model.
What is soulless in the interior of the Tuareg? awesome audio system, powerful climate, impeccable pleasant materials, awesome chairs, the ability to drive a dwarf and a giant?
What is the Cherokee legend? does it not break? does it drive like a passenger car? Does he eat fuel like a Prius?
What does naked Tuareg mean? in the base he already has everything one could wish for, a diesel tour and a diesel grand cost the same, if the tour is more expensive, then for this money he offers something that the amerikos does not have in nature.
Fanaticism is a terrible thing.
And what does a tour offer that is not in Cherocchi ?? Wagovskuyu eblemma ???)
That's for sure! What for Chirku to show off something when he is a real Jeep. In the sense in which this word stuck with us. Now about fanaticism. Exactly fanaticism is the overpayment for the name and brand, which was inflated by the diligence of marketers! For Volkswagen has never made cars that would correspond to the price tag set for them. He always made stool cars, which, in principle, justify their name - the people's car!) ...
So sorry ... I'd rather drive a Chrysler, if everything works out, then a Chirocchi than a people's car for a non-people's price ...
The real jeep is the UAZ. Does the grand have bridges ?, simplicity of construction? maintainability? What is a Jeep? This is an off-road vehicle with a simple design so that it can be repaired on a hike. And grand ... with pneumocylinders from em ale, which are frayed from the accumulated snow. The jeep was 20 years ago, and now it is a pont passenger car with increased ground clearance, like the Tuareg.
What does overpayment for a Volkswagen emblem mean? It's like a Mercedes or BMW, these are the same average cars as Nissan or Ford and Toyota, only from these averages he makes the most accurate and best cars, which, when compared, are called reference. What is the overpayment for a golf that costs like a trick or an Opel of the same model?
Well, Tuareg is a recognized leader in its class, in terms of the combination of qualities. Those who are chasing cross-country ability will take a Kruzak, someone who is chasing a show-off will take a Land Rover, and those who are not chasing anything will take a Foltz, i.e. just a car so that she could just drive the family, and not shout how cool she is. These qualities are expensive, the main thing is to understand why you need a car.
If you focus on the combination of qualities, then it is better to take for $ 100. Moskvich 412. There is also a continuous bridge and it goes off-road only on the way!)) People now take cars mainly because of show-off! How else to explain the same Tuareg, which, on more or less off-road conditions, will simply fall apart or look into the owner's wallet is not weak .... I'm not saying that Teal is the standard of cross-country ability. Fucking marketers got it. But the Jeep Cherokee brand itself is a legend, a breed if you will. It's like a noble family. It takes several generations and time for the formation of this kind!
And mediocre scribblers on auto tests begin to find fault with this breed. Either the sight of the new Teal reminds them of an imperial helmet, or they don't like the interior. But surprisingly, they all love to lick for ... her place Folz. And so he says, and so ... Yes, no this folk, given the price that they ask for! If the prices for Tuareg and Teal were the same, then one could reason. Although personally, even then I would not have looked at the rootless Tuareg, who is a week old in comparison with the Grand Cherokee. And here, by the way, is the Mel platform, which is remembered all the time ????? Does the new Teal look like a Merce? Or even if it does, Mares was a bad car?
Tuareg is a recognized leader in its class ....... Who recognized him ?? You? Or auto-journalists, for whom most of the articles are always paid for by the same folk, for example. Have you ever been to America? I have been more than once. Do many folk go there? My answer is that it is extremely small! Passat B5-6 drive disgusting Mexican assembly and at a ridiculous price. Do you know by the way why many Europeans have not taken root in the huge North American market ??? I'll tell you a terrible secret! It turns out that most Euro-cars (with "high-quality" interior trim) simply cannot withstand the sun of Texas, Nevada, Florida. At the same time, the "bad and ugly" American car interiors, which are constantly being bullied by journalists, can easily withstand any climatic zones from Alaska to Panama.
I have, as you say, a ten-year-old barn. This is a Chrysler Voyager in a luxury package. For fun, sit in such a car, drive ... Then sit in a Foltz Sharan of the same year. Look there at the ugly shabby handles (they will climb into 99% of cars) on the rigid chassis, on no seats, at a terrible view, and so on. Sharan could only catch up with the ten-year-old Voyager in the new 2010 model. And then he pulled himself up not in all parameters ...
So I don't need to be convinced! I went to Tuareg, went to the previous Chirke. I liked the previous Grand a lot more. And there is nothing to say about the new one! This is a car. And the Tuareg is so ... a means of transportation, surprisingly for quite a lot of money ...
I do not understand people who do something because of show-off. Apparently, he grew up at another time, other values \u200b\u200bin life - a family, a friend with a strong shoulder, and so that he himself would not be ashamed to look people in the eyes for their actions.
Why should the Tuareg fall apart, I changed the bearing and front struts for 100,000 km, although I traveled half the country and loaded a ton. And I drove on the roads, not on the Moscow Ring Road.
The prices for diesel folz and diesel grand are the same + - the difference of 100-200 thousand in this class is not significant.
I'm talking about the grand platform, because this car is now the same refined electronic SUV as the Tuareg, with the same margin of safety and reliability. Where is his legend with a 50-year history, when only the name remained of the name, and the filling is not its own, except for an inefficient gas engine and an outdated gearbox.
The buyers recognized the Tuareg as the leader, as evidenced by the sales statistics, in the Tuareg price category it is the most sold.
I have not been to America, 10 acres, a clean lake, a fast river, and a curly forest - this is my America and what I can afford now. I am surprised that European cars, which have the largest market in Pendosia, are not adapted for operation in this country.
I know what a Chrysler voyager is, I wanted to take one myself, but I took a supported vita at that time. I don’t want to change the oil after 5000 km and fill the tank with 20 liters.
Why should I convince you, you are an adult, you yourself will choose for yourself what you think is right, I just want to explain that you do not need to unreasonably find fault with the car because of someone's words or reviews. Tuareg is a strong, reliable, safe car.
That's right! Everyone chooses what he wants ...... That is why I am always annoyed by articles from magazines who consider it a matter of honor to kick any American auto. Everything is wrong with these machines. Although you can immediately see that they did not ride them longer than the test time! Yes, the Americans are very voracious, but if you compare them with the Japanese of the same power, then they are very economical. In addition, the "outdated" American gasoline engines have a huge resource, not to say about modern Foltz engines from gas mowers with two turbines and tiny volumes. In America, a completely different idea of \u200b\u200bthe car. This is the country that was the very first to move en masse to cars, while in Europe they drove bikes and mopeds) Therefore, it is ridiculous to read articles that supposedly something is wrong in cars from the new world. Yes. They are very different from the Europeans, who are imprisoned for the hectic European life. What for me a car with a high-speed ceiling of 250 km / h. Where am I going to go at this speed? But I need comfort, good quality, tradition and much more that is abundant in American cars, but absolutely not in European ones ... the bright charisma of American vans or large SUVs, he will no longer change to products of the Euro-car industry ...
About Voyager and Vita. Vita is Mercedes' shame, disgustingly assembled by the Spaniards from some kind of carbon-based rolled product. The car rusts much faster than the Opel! I personally helped a friend in Germany paint over swollen corrosion on a 7 year old diesel Vito. With Chrysler-Voyager, this miracle did not even stand, did not even lie next to it! Because Voyager is several orders of magnitude better in all respects. By the way, I have a diesel option. Consumption on the highway for a rather big van 6-8l. solariums. City 9-10. The oil changes as usual after 10-12t.km. By the way. Diesel Voyager - this is the case when fusion with some European traditions was beneficial. But such cases are few ...
I personally drove 350,000 km on Vita, a great car. Voyager is not so much a different car with different parameters, you can't get in in a dead traffic jam, go back without stepping over anything and calmly shit in a package when there is nowhere to go. Vita has a much higher carrying capacity and interior.
Plya, you’re talking about journalists, they don’t give magic power to cars, but the buyer votes with a ruble and chooses the best one, look how many Wit and Voyagers travel, how many Tuaregs, and how many giants.
bad cars are not bought, at least not all.
About speed qualities, the power reserve that will save your life during a difficult overtaking does not oblige you to drive at maximum speed according to the speedometer.
A rigid suspension for some is a necessity, I personally vomit on cotton iron machines.
Wed ... be in the car .... Not. It has not come to such a thing yet) However, in Voyager, this can be done, if desired, no worse than in Vito))
Voting in rubles. In the States, there is a sea of \u200b\u200bGrand Cherokees and a drop of Euro machines. We pray for the Folts, because Germany is near. In America, no one needs them. Why are there people who are accustomed to driving solid, soft and comfortable autos to change to stool, gear-crushing Folks with wooden seats ??? and even for an exorbitant price! In America, no one is in a hurry on the road. The maximum permitted speed on highways is 130-140 km / h. This is not Germany with its insane autobahns, overcrowding and wild rush. In Belarus, too, no one is in a hurry here, so American cars are what you need!
Therefore, they buy not good or bad cars, but those that are common in the region. Folks rule the score in our region, but if I lived in the States, I would not only not look at the products of the "people's concern", but I would even forget that there are generally such cars as a Volkswagen ...
with their pricing and gasoline prices, as well as the standard of living, I would also take a Ford F Series for the price of a trade wind, put on a cowboy hat, load a ton and a half of dung and wave to the ranch.
In fig Th in America, we are talking about our country.
Dear friend, you keep repeating yourself about voting in rubles. I disagree. Why? Because the vast majority of buyers recognize the car AFTER PURCHASE! It's like voting for a deputy (you can't admit that you voted for a monster). And when you start selling a car, you praise it anyway (how can you sell it?). And do not forget about corrupt journalists, they earn their bread (whoever pays calls the tune). Yes, and their feelings are often subjective - he is not comfortable, but you may be just right. I remember how Solaris was promoted - almost the pinnacle of the automotive industry! Then, when people, after reading, created a queue of orders, the same magazines realized that now the people themselves will already appreciate and spit in the face for lying to someone, they began to find fault with him in all respects !! Well, about the fact that every sandpiper praises his swamp, and it's not worth talking about))) As they say, vote, don't vote, you will get it anyway.
After the divorce from Daimler in 2007, among Chrysler's assets was a wonderful platform of the Mercedes M-class. And it was on its basis that the Americans built their new all-terrain vehicle. But still, most of the units - a 5-speed "automatic", all-wheel drive transmissions "Quadra-Track" and "Quadra-Drive", as well as a 5.7-liter engine "Chemi" - the new Jeep inherited from its predecessor. But the rest of the motors are completely new. The Chrysler engineers developed a 3.6-liter V6 gasoline engine with an aluminum cylinder block independently, and the Italian company VM-Motori shared the 3-liter RA630 diesel engine with the Americans.
In our opinion, this engine suits the "great Indian" very much. At least it is more expensive than the base one by 80-100 thousand rubles, but it can boast an amazing torque. Diesel "Grand" accelerates to a hundred in just 8 seconds and, on top of that, does not differ with a brave zhor: in traffic jams, the consumption of "diesel fuel" fits into 13 liters per 100 km. Steep!
But Tuareg also has room for maneuver. It has a noticeably more generous range of engines, among which we found a diesel engine, which in its characteristics exactly repeats the Italian engine - the same three liters of volume and 500 Newton meters. And although he is weaker by only one "horse", this, as you know, is sheer trifles. In addition, the prices of the cars do not differ fundamentally - both in basic versions and with the diesel engines we have chosen.
Measurement error
Despite the similarity in numbers, the cars vary greatly in terms of interior design. Soft expensive plastic, smooth contours of the central panel, warm colors, elegant wood inserts - never before has the Jeep been able to boast such a homely and at the same time chic interior. In a massive, but moderately hard chair, you sit as if on a throne. The ranges of its adjustments are huge, and not only heating, but also ventilation is hidden under the skin. The speedometer and tachometer shine with chrome bezels and are perfectly legible. Famous! But, alas, the Jeep still falls short of the solid five. To make out the tiny numbers of the on-board computer display, you have to strain your eyes.
The multimedia system "U-Connect" is able to send SMS on its own, but it never bothered to learn Russian. For some reason, the automatic mode applies only to the front windows - and this, for a minute, in a car that costs well for two million! And it is completely incomprehensible with what joy the "Jeep" needed to copy the inconvenient "Mercedes" control system for the "turn signals" and wipers with the help of a single steering column switch. In Stuttgart cars, such a sophisticated ergonomic muck, due to an absurd tradition, looks like a cute quirk, but in an American car this feature causes nothing but irritation.
In the strict, slightly lame-dyed environment of the Tuareg, neither warmth nor soul is felt. This is a device made with jewelry precision. Scrupulousness and meticulousness are felt in everything - in the fit of the details, the profile and rigidity of the seats, the distance between the numbers on the devices, the thickness of the rim and the texture of the leather "steering wheel". There may be a sea of \u200b\u200ball sorts of things in the car, from the navigation system to the panoramic roof, but operating all this equipment is simple and pleasant - on every knob and button verified efforts. Only one thing strains: to charge the DVD-changer with discs, you need to climb into the trunk. However, this does not have to be done often, and besides, not all potential buyers of a German off-road vehicle will order a changer.
Personnel 4х4
Despite the serious dimensions in both off-road vehicles, only a couple of rows of seats fit: they clearly consider it beneath their dignity to pretend to be a bus. Moreover, the architecture of the rear seats, with massive folding armrests, is such that they are definitely oriented towards two passengers, although they could easily accommodate three. But those two lucky ones who find themselves in the arms of sofas are unlikely to find a reason to complain about the cramped conditions and inconveniences. Even if the occupants of the front seats of the Grand Cherokee or Tuareg move all the way back, those in the back will still have a decent amount of legroom and overhead - and it doesn't matter how tall they are. For greater comfort on a long journey, you can tilt the back of the sofa more - both cars allow you to do this. True, the very process of landing on the back row does not imply sterility: there is always a risk of getting your pants dirty on the sills. However, this can happen in any off-road vehicle with an impressive ground clearance.
Transformers
In the huge trunks of our rivals, the maximum volumes of which match up to a liter, a mountain of belongings can easily fit. So with such similar introductory cargo capacities of cars, we decided to evaluate on the basis of the convenience of using the holds. Having rustled with roulettes and folded and unfolded sofas several times, we came to the conclusion that the Tuareg should be recognized as a slightly more skillful “truck”. The fact that at the nominal ground clearance (both cars can be equipped with air suspension with the ability to change the ground clearance) the distance from the ground to the upper edge of the bumper at Volkswagen was 2 cm less, the Jeep easily parried the opponent's lunge with a smoother floor. But only a German SUV allows you to move the sofa forward. With a huge amount of legroom, this will not greatly hamper passengers, but it will allow you to transport large luggage without folding the backs.
Five steps is good, but eight is better
According to the passport data, Volkswagen is only 0.4 seconds ahead of the rival when accelerating to a hundred. The difference seems to be negligible, but in fact the German car does seem to be faster. But the Jeep cannot be called a slow-moving vehicle either. Yes, when starting from a standstill and active pedaling, it is noticeable that the 5-speed "American" box withstands a short pause, as if avoiding an avalanche of torque. However, the slight confusion of the "automatic machine" practically does not interfere with confident maneuvering in the dense city traffic. Fast enough, without hesitation, "Grand Cherokee" is gaining country 180 km / h, and makes overtaking literally in one breath. Yes, and the "Indian" slows down clearly and reliably.
But the Tuareg's reactions seem even more lively and perfected - and all this thanks to the new box of the Japanese company Aizin, which deftly moves through its eight stages, constantly maintaining optimal crankshaft speed. As a result of its activities, Volkswagen is always ready for powerful jerks, regardless of what numbers are currently appearing on the speedometer. And this, mind you, in the usual box mode. But there is also a sporty one, which seeks to keep the diesel in the very tone of the torque. When the selector lever is set to the S position, the Tuareg becomes not only fast, but even a little sharp. Thank God, the brakes have enough strength and a margin of safety to besiege a hot off-road vehicle in time.
Sports and recreation
Ask why a big, tall and heavy car needs the ability to drive fast? That's the point, that "Tuareg" is characterized by an active life position. And taking turns on it is no less exciting than accelerating violently. Neat, with tides in the grip points, the steering wheel makes only 2.7 turns from lock to lock. However, Volkswagen is not nervous neither on the high-speed line, nor in bends - it is the very embodiment of steadfastness! It seems that even a blast wave will not lead him astray. At the same time, he effortlessly rearranges from row to row, marking maneuvers with microscopic rolls. But what is most impressive is how accurately, easily and recklessly this car writes turns. Just a fine fellow!
The steering wheel of the Jeep rotates 3.8 turns, moreover, it looks more like a decoration than a tool: thick and beautiful, with a wooden upper sector. And this, in our opinion, very accurately reflects the nature of the current "Grand Cherokee". The car drives quite reliably, but it is pleasant to drive it, as they say, with laziness, grasping the steering wheel with one hand and hoisting your elbow on the windowsill. Without changing posture, you can even accelerate to 160 km / h on a straight line, and the "American" will not mind at all. But active actions are clearly not for him. Perceptible rolls and a "dumb" steering wheel soon discourage diving from row to row and quickly walk around corners. In addition, during the shooting of the cover, when it was necessary to go side by side with the Tuareg, already at 90 km / h, a sharp movement of the steering wheel had to stop the Jeep's desire to jump off the trajectory. What is interesting is that the track, joints and pits pull the car only at speeds up to 120 km / h, and with further acceleration they come to naught.
What will you please?
Despite the impressive ground clearance (220 mm), equipped with a standard transmission "Tuareg" still cannot be called a real off-road vehicle - it is rather a "SUV" or, as they say today, a crossover. Full-time all-wheel drive, limited slip center differential and traction control that simulates cross-axle locks are excellent support on asphalt or brushed gravel at any time of the year. However, for a real off-road such weapons are not enough. However, true adventurers can order air suspension, which can increase the ground clearance up to 300 mm, and the so-called "Terrane-Tek" package, which includes a "lowering" and rigid inter-axle and rear inter-wheel differential locks. Our Tuareg was in just such an outfit and even demonstrated excellent cross-country ability on road tires. However, keep in mind that the razdatka with "lowering" and differential locks are available only for the version with a 3-liter 240-horsepower diesel engine.
Jeep is more loyal to off-road adventurers. With an equal ground clearance with the rival, it already has a downshift and a rigid central differential lock in the base. For some money, you can also add air suspension here. Let its maximum height be 30 mm lower than that of Volkswagen, but having 270 mm “under the keel” is also not bad at all. In the more expensive Overland, in addition to the already mentioned pneumatics, there will also be real locks for both cross-axle differentials. On a circle it turns out even steeper than that of the most charged "Tuareg". If the Jeep had not aluminum, but more durable steel suspension arms, we would unconditionally give it an A for cross-country ability.
Calm and only calm
The Jeep has a complete order with soundproofing. Even under the hard pressure of the accelerator, the diesel engine does not allow itself to be loudly indignant, and the noise from tires and headwinds cannot penetrate into the passenger compartment at any speed. The only pity is that the suspension is not as balanced as we would like. She is not afraid of "speed bumps" and large bumps, but even on pneumatic elements is not able to completely and irrevocably isolate the body from nervous tremors on small irregularities.
The Tuareg also has large heavy wheels, but the suspension does not allow them to reach the passenger compartment. Different-caliber pits, joints, seams "Volkswagen" on pneumatics ignores, sailing over irregularities, like a flying ship. And it's a sin to complain about noise insulation: while driving, you can only hear the muffled rumbling of the engine and the slight rustle of tires.
Fortresses on wheels
Starting from the basic configurations, both off-road vehicles have a full arsenal of active and passive safety equipment. Each of them has ABS and dynamic stabilization systems by default, but if the Tuareg is equipped with six air bags, then the Grand also has an airbag to protect the driver's knees. And although cars did not take part in crash tests according to the EuroNCAP methodology, Volkswagen and Jeep received the highest marks in tests conducted by the American Insurance Institute for Highway Safety.
Who has more?
In the basic configuration, "Tuareg" is 136 thousand rubles cheaper than the opponent. The most affordable engine of the "German", which is the 3.6FSI gasoline engine, develops a decent 249 hp. with., but "Grand Cherokee" is 37 "horses" more powerful. But the “Indian” is richer in content: he has everything that an expensive and solid car should have - leather interior, bi-xenon headlights, parking sensors, alarm and metallic paint. Meanwhile, only for these positions "Volkswagen" will ask you to pay 200 thousand, not to mention the rear-view camera, a full-fledged off-road transmission and a keyless entry system, which are also included in the "American" database. Thus, "Grand" for 2,090,000 rubles looks like a much more profitable acquisition than "Tuareg". Moreover, for its price, the Jeep gives customers more than any of its competitors.
