Does the valve bend on the fret viburnum. What troubles with the engine lie in wait for the owners of the viburnum

Engine Lada Kalina 1.6 8 valve well known to our drivers. After all, its history goes back to the advanced (for its time) engine VAZ 2108.Since then, the power unit has gone through a huge amount of modernization. But the basic design parameters remained unchanged. Today we will talk in more detail about this power unit.

Gasoline power unit Lada Kalina VAZ-11186 with a capacity of 87 hp with a working volume of 1.6 liters replaced the VAZ-11183 injection engine developing 82 horsepower. The new lightweight piston group from Federal Mogul was able to increase the power and efficiency of the power unit. Of course, the motor does not differ in enchanting dynamics and low fuel consumption, but its relatively simple design and maintainability allows us to speak of a good option for our harsh operating conditions.

As for the device of the technical part, it is based on a cast-iron cylinder block, an aluminum head, an aluminum cylinder head cover, a steel engine oil pan. In the timing drive Lada Kalina 8-cl. there is a belt. The eight-valve timing mechanism does not have hydraulic lifters, valve adjustment is rare, but the process is quite painstaking. It is necessary to select “pyataks” of different thicknesses and lay them between the camshaft cams and the bottoms of the pusher glasses. The first time this procedure is carried out at the so-called "0" zero maintenance, after 3000 km of run.

The age-old question Does the valve bend on the Kalina engine VAZ-11186 when the timing belt breaks? The answer is unequivocal, if the belt breaks valve bends! A 5-speed manual transmission is attached to the motor as a pair, no other options are provided.

Engine Lada Kalina 1.6 (87 hp), fuel consumption, dynamics

Working volume - 1597 cm3
Number of cylinders / valves - 4/8
Timing drive - belt
Cylinder diameter - 82 mm
Piston stroke - 75.6 mm
Power hp / kW - 87/64 at 5100 rpm
Torque - 140 Nm at 3800 rpm
Maximum speed - 168 kilometers per hour
Acceleration to the first hundred - 12.2 seconds
Fuel consumption in the city - 9.0 liters
Combined fuel consumption - 6.6 liters
Fuel consumption on the highway - 5.8 liters

Timing diagram Lada Kalina 8 valves

1 - crankshaft toothed pulley
2 - toothed pulley of the coolant pump
3 - tension roller
4 - back protective cover
5 - toothed pulley of a camshaft
6 - timing belt
A - lug on the rear protective cover
B - mark on the camshaft pulley
C - mark on the cover of the oil pump
D - mark on the crankshaft pulley.

Another feature of the motor is the location of the water pump (pump), which rotates with the same timing belt. That is, in the event of coolant leaks or characteristic noise / whistle / hum in the timing area, a belt check is mandatory. If the pump bearing crumbles and the belt falls off, then in addition to replacing the water pump housing and the belt, you will also have to sort out the cylinder head, removing the bent valves from there.

So I decided to keep a bortovik about Kalina) As I promised in the story about the car, I will write a review, so I gathered my thoughts, traveled, I'll probably start) The complete set is almost imaginary, the reason for the purchase is outrageously simple, Ford Si Max 2l. sold at maximum speed, bought

So I decided to still lead bortovik about Kalina) As I promised in the story about the car, I will write a review, so I gathered my thoughts, traveled, I'll probably start) The complete set is almost imaginary, the reason for the purchase is outrageously simple, Ford Si Max 2l. sold at maximum speed, bought Gazelle Business new, which brings money

But I had to buy something in return, I chose it for a long time, looked, leaned more towards BEU cars, but in 2 months I did not find anything worthy, they were all shabby, with jambs, with high mileage and not real price tags, although I watched the cars for a year or two which, but their condition saddened them, in the end, after seeing 30 cars, they were probably tired of everything and there was only one way, for a new one to a car dealership. Why a station wagon? sedans are not released anymore, the hatchback is not pleasant, the trunk is too small, the station wagon is the very thing, the car is not bulky in appearance, and the trunk is available, but not to say that it is huge, enough. The complete set was also chosen easily and not forcedly, I did not want to empty it at all, but the power steering and ESP were welcomed, and the price arranged 290 sput.

All other configurations did not attract, since I did not want to give more than 300 for the domestic auto industry, well, this is my opinion. Engine 1.6 8 valve, what is needed, the valve does not bend, the dynamics are not bad, what is needed, to be honest, I don’t want 16 cl, I don’t like it all the crap with torn belts, with all that it implies ... Now about the car, I'll start with the appearance , well, not a beauty, of course, but for this money I don't see anything more attractive from the new) And if you tint, underestimate, choose the wheels with taste, then any machine will change for the better) BODY: The quality of the car painting suits, I looked, and Priora and 2114, Kalina was more impressed in this regard, the second plus, the gaps of the body elements are at the level of the same competitors, everything is much worse, well, closing, opening doors, everyone probably knows how locks rattle on the classics, the same story with 2114 and prior, with closing the doors you can hear the ringing of locks, on the Kalina, the door closes very nicely, no extraneous sounds, in this Kalina again wins over its rivals in the conveyor.

VISIBILITY: I got used to the dimensions quickly, I didn't get used to it for almost a year, the visibility is very poor, everything was done intuitively) Right there everything is fine, the stoics are not so wide, and the car is not big, which amazed me and everyone who gets into the car, these are mirrors!) These are just the most ideal mirrors that I have seen, they are not large in appearance, but when you look at them from the salon, you can see everything, there are no dead zones and they do not need to be adjusted, anyone sits down and sees everything in them perfectly, on a Gazelle mirrors about 3 times larger in appearance, but much less is visible in them. SALON: A LOT of places! My height is 1.93m, it is quite difficult for me to find a car where I will sit comfortably, I sat in the viburnum and went nuts! Pushing the seat all the way back, I do this in all cars, I realized that my legs reach the pedals at the limit, this rarely happens to me in a car) Well, the steering wheel does not rub against my knees, you sit comfortably without pressing anything, up to the panel and the gearshift lever is far away.

Also fits perfectly behind the front passenger seat

There are now three head restraints in the back, in all trim levels, well, there is enough space both above the head and in front of the knees. Now the cons in the cabin, everything creaks! From a run of 100 km to this day, a bunch of crickets! And some of them feed and new ones appear, it is very annoying, on the Gazelle Business bought a little earlier, only at 15,000 km a cricket appeared and then one ... Here the panel and the tidy creaks, and the plastic on the front pillars, something in the area of the lever, the front passenger seat!

The rear shelf and the list is almost endless and it all started on a new car without a run. The plastic of the panel is super-mega tough, I always didn’t pay attention to it and thought that I had something or touch it, but on Kalina it is really tough, explosive and even stinks ... On the same gazelle, it is more pleasant and does not rattle, although this is a commercial vehicle ... As for the stove, it fries well, there are air ducts in the legs for the rear passengers and this is where the pros end ... Cons, you have to wait a long time for warm air, the car itself warms up quickly, and the air goes cold for a long time, you have to travel for about 20 minutes then it blows heat, the heat has to wait 35-40 minutes.

For example, in Ford, 10 minutes after launch, warm air began to blow, also in kopecks and Gazelles. The second minus of the stove is VERY NOISY! At 2 speeds it makes a noise so that there is no strength to endure ... but the speed is 4!) I don't turn on the second one, it annoys ... modes, as in many even budget foreign cars, 6-8 modes

But when it warms up, it fries well. LUGGAGE: roomy, the seats fold quickly and easily, which was a waste, it was too tricky and not fast on a Ford, immediately 5 seconds and a flat area, you can either sleep or carry the load.

It's bad of course that there are no pockets for small things, nets, hooks. ENGINE and gearbox: The dynamics are not bad, you stick to the principle in the stream, although you don't get drive, you just move

Economical, 7.5-8 liters in the city, 11-12 on average on Ford, economical after Ford of course) On the highway-6 liters, Ford 7.5-8l ate, driving style has not changed.

Comfortable travel speed 130 no more

I did not measure the maximum speed, more than 150 did not go on it. The box was generally sad at first) I thought what kind of nonsense they slipped, but I worked in the area of 3000 km, now it is quite fine, before that there were problems with the 3rd gear especially) SUSPENSION: This is the biggest and main plus in this car!) It is ideal for our city, at we are killed in the city, old roads, every year they only put patches, holes and patches all around, there are also dibbled railways. moving, but viburnum copes with this absolutely gorgeous, you eat and wonder how she swallows everything! I drove a Ford and you almost cry when you catch holes, etc.

He drove superbly, but not on our roads, it was a pity for his suspension, it immediately warms the soul that spare parts for the hodovka cost a penny) Kalina's controllability is far from Ford, but we also have no roads to rush and enter turns at speed ... Also the ground clearance pleases, in the summer I climbed through the forests and rivers, where I have never traveled in more than one car, the bottom is flat, the bumpers are high, there are only solid pluses in this, the JEEP is so straight. Conclusion, for our city and our roads, viburnum is 100% adapted

Rubber profile 60, for winter 65 set, but about winter tires, in a different entry.

Well, to summarize, the sensations are mixed, it seems that everything is not entirely bad, but at the same time there are quite a few minuses, of course I cannot quite objectively judge, reseeding from a 2-liter Ford, at maximum speed, with climate, a winter package, with an electric drive of everything you can go to Kalina. But still I will say this, viburnum costs 290,000 rubles new, Ford 2005, mileage 88,000 km 400,000 rubles, but whoever saw Ford with me, he knows that it was ideal, and if you wind up the mileage to 0 km, then we can say that it was as soon as from the salon, and it was not in it for 6 years of operation are not these crickets, not all the minuses of viburnum, but there were only a bunch of pluses! Which is not realistic to enumerate, but the difference is only 100,000 rubles between these cars ... I draw the following conclusion, who will switch to Kalina, from the VAZ classics, from 2114, priors, will see more advantages in it, since I drove all these cars and I will say for sure , KALINA wins among this list, but if you drive foreign cars and sit in Kalina, I'm not even talking about the former FORD, even the spectrum, the accent, supported, is better and more thoughtful and you understand that the car has lagged behind in many respects and is not worth the money, by me so her price is 220-230, but not 300 sput.

But everyone draws conclusions for themselves, I described my feelings of ownership) Issue price: 290,000 rubles

On which engines the valve bends

Before buying a car, many owners do not yet know about such a problem as a broken timing belt, and as a result, pistons collide with valves on some engines and bend them. This problem exists not only in domestic cars, but also in modern foreign cars, and this threatens with rather expensive repairs. This trouble was still with the old models of Zhiguli, but now we are interested in modern engines and it is them that we will consider. And on the left in the picture, the consequences of this trouble are shown, so carefully read the information below to avoid a similar picture, because as they say, no one is immune from this.

Bends valves on the following motors

16-valve engine with a volume of 1.5 liters. Although it is no longer installed on cars, at one time there were quite a few of them on the tenth family. Then the owners of these cars felt what it was. On a personal example, 2112, my valve bent 2 times. And in both cases, after replacing the timing belt, not even 10,000 km have passed.
Model 21126, which is currently installed on both Kalina and Priors and Grants. As you already know, the collision of valves and pistons is also inevitable when the belt breaks. Moreover, repairs can be very expensive, since, in addition to all this, it can break the entire piston, from the pistons themselves to scoring on the cylinders and bent connecting rods.
Modification 21116, which is now being put on both Grants and Kalina recently. Although this sia unit is 8-valve and has not changed much, it will bring a lot of trouble when pistons and valves meet. This is due to the fact that the piston group in this engine is lightweight, so there is no space for the recesses in the pistons - accordingly, the valves are bent.
1.4 16-cl. For the first time, the engine was installed on Kalina and it is also unsafe, although quite economical.
VAZ 21127, which will be installed on the Lada Kalina for the first time. It has a volume of 1.6 liters with a similar design to its predecessor from Priora, but slightly more power. He also belongs to this list of "dangerous" motors.

The valve does not bend on motors such as:

1.5 8-cl and 1.6 8-cl. The power unit with a smaller volume was installed on earlier versions of cars. And 1.6 for late ones, including Kalina too. Everything is fine here and no breaks in the timing belt are terrible, since the pistons have deep recesses for the valves, which are quite enough to avoid a collision.
1.6 16-valve modification 21124. This engine was installed on the VAZ 2112 at one time and was in quite popular demand, as it was both powerful and reliable in this regard.

In order to somehow reduce the likelihood of getting into expensive repairs, be careful with the choice of components and spare parts. Change the belt in time and before buying it, carefully inspect it for the presence of a seam and if there is one, then it is better to abandon it. And don't forget about videos, which must also be of high quality.

Hello everyone. I want to share my sad experience. In the frost of -27, I started the Kalinka 1.4 16 valve engine. I put the battery down. I charged it. I decided to start. The engine was spinning with difficulty, but it didn't start. The second attempt. The engine started spinning easily. I thought it broke. belt. No belt intact. Thought candles. Replaced. The problem did not dare. It turned out that the timing belt slipped a few teeth (it turned out later, when I opened the timing belt cover and checked the marks). The valve closed. I stuck at least 7,000 rubles. Run the car has 15,500 km. Block 11193. These are the pies. It is dangerous to start in the cold, from the pusher as well.

Hello everyone! Samara - 2114 2007 engine 1.6 8 cl. (11183) 81 hp cylinder block 11193. Does this engine bend the valve? Who says what. There are grooves in the pistons, but according to rumors, it does not help, it only softens the blow, and you will have to unharness the valves.

There was a dvenashka with a 1.5 liter engine and 16 valves. When I bought it, the mileage was 55,000 km and the previous owner said that he had just changed the belt, and I don't have to worry and drive another 30 thousand at least. But after 5,000 km on the highway 70 km from the house, a belt broke and the car had to be dragged home in tow. They dragged it to the service, they took it apart and in the end: out of 16 valves, 6 bent, this was still lucky for me, since the engine speed was low, and I turned off the ignition almost instantly. After this repair, by the way, I gave 9500 rubles along with spare parts, put a new timing belt and after 12,000 it breaks again, and again the road to service. And I was there already as a pull - everything was done for 6500 rubles. After these two cases, VAZ 2112 sold and bought an 8-valve Kalina with a conventional eight engine. Here, this problem is not exactly, it has been tested on the experience of many owners.

And here it goes. Today, on Kalina 1.6, 8 cells jammed the computer, turned the timing belt. Result: 2.3 cylinder bent! Kalina 2006 run 135000. Although there was a case of 65000 at a speed of 140 km / h, the timing belt broke off and nothing… I replaced it and drove on. So draw your own conclusions!

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You will find out whether the 11186 engine bends the valve and whether the valve on the viburnum bends 1 4 16 valves or 1 6 8. Read the comments and expert advice here.

Answer:

Many owners of Lada Kalina are familiar with the problem when the timing belt breaks, and in the future the valves are damaged. Therefore, car owners often wonder how the 11186 engine behaves and whether it bends the valve? Only the improved model has lost this problem, according to the buyers.

But fears about this do not disappear at all. Therefore, it is worth spending a little time to figure out which model will become the most reliable.

Not all 8-valve engines are problematic, according to current Grants owners. For example, a truly high-quality power unit is on the "Standard" package. The future owner of this option is unlikely to face serious damage.

But the driver who purchases the "Norma" model may be worried. A break in timing belts will usually lead to repairs. Which, in turn, takes quite a long time, can get expensive. At first glance, the engines are absolutely identical, but their equipment is different. That is why the type of unit is important for those who are just going to buy a car.

11183 - designation of a rather noisy engine. But in this case, the valves will remain intact, even if the timing belt is damaged.

Does the valve bend on the viburnum 1 4 16 valves?

Most buyers want to find out in advance whether the valve on Kalina is bending 1 4 16 valves? It should be noted that this is a serious problem that occurs not only in domestic, but also in foreign models.

For example, such a situation necessarily occurs in a 16-valve engine with a volume of up to one and a half liters. This option is almost never installed, but it used to be quite common in the tenth family.

Model 21126 can also be called a little problematic. If you do not take care of the maintenance of this part of the car in time, then the entire piston system may break. When valves and pistons meet, 21116 causes a lot of trouble. This engine has a lightweight group. This led to the fact that there was no room left for the grooves in the pistons, and therefore the bend occurs.

16 valves for 1.4 liters. Quite an economical device, but it also did not remain without this problem.

Finally, VAZ 21127 can be attributed to the list of "dangerous" motors. The choice of components and spare parts is the most important point for those who still want to avoid expensive repairs. Timely replacement of the seam will also help. When buying, you should pay attention to the seam. If it is, then it is better to purchase another model.

Does the valve on the viburnum bend 1 6 8 valves?

Many car lovers are now asking whether the valves on Kalina bend 1 6 8 valves. Are there models in which nothing extra happens? Such options are quite possible to pick up if you look closely.

For example, a good choice is 8 valves for 1.6 liters, or one and a half liters. These are versions of earlier power plants, they were mounted on older models. The 1.6-liter model has already appeared on more modern vehicles. The pistons have special deep grooves designed specifically for the valves. This is quite enough to avoid violent collisions.

The modification 21124 with a unit for 16 valves and 1.6 liters became successful. At one time, a VAZ 2112 was produced with such a complete set. In this regard, the car was powerful and reliable, therefore it was in great demand among buyers.

The best prevention for any car is constant inspections of the belt itself to see if it has worn out. The tensioner pulley must also be replaced if necessary. It is he who contributes to the fact that the wear of the entire system increases. The probability of a belt breaking is increased many times even if a defective product comes across.

The problem can be solved by replacing the piston group, but this is not a cheap pleasure. Especially if you work with official dealers. An independent preventive examination will become more budgetary.

Bends valves on the following motors

16-valve engine with a volume of 1.5 liters. Although it is no longer installed on cars, at one time there were quite a few of them on the tenth family. Then the owners of these cars felt what it was. On a personal example, 2112, my valve bent 2 times. And in both cases, after replacing the timing belt, not even 10,000 km have passed.
Model 21126, which is currently installed on both Kalina and Priors and Grants. As you already know, the collision of valves and pistons is also inevitable when the belt breaks. Moreover, repairs can be very expensive, since, in addition to all this, it can break the entire piston, from the pistons themselves to scoring on the cylinders and bent connecting rods.
Modification 21116, which is now being put on both Grants and Kalina recently. Although this sia unit is 8-valve and has not changed much, it will bring a lot of trouble when pistons and valves meet. This is due to the fact that the piston group in this engine is lightweight, so there is no space for the recesses in the pistons - accordingly, the valves are bent.
1.4 16-cl. For the first time, the engine was installed on Kalina and it is also unsafe, although quite economical.
VAZ 21127, which will be installed on the Lada Kalina for the first time. It has a volume of 1.6 liters with a similar design to its predecessor from Priora, but slightly more power. He also belongs to this list of "dangerous" motors.

The valve does not bend on motors such as:

1.5 8-cl and 1.6 8-cl. The power unit with a smaller volume was installed on earlier versions of cars. And 1.6 for late ones, including Kalina too. Everything is fine here and no breaks in the timing belt are terrible, since the pistons have deep recesses for the valves, which are quite enough to avoid a collision.
1.6 16-valve modification 21124. This engine was installed on the VAZ 2112 at one time and was in quite popular demand, as it was both powerful and reliable in this regard.