The legendary Japanese sports coupe Honda NSX. Honda NSX: Overview, Features, Photos and Reviews Honda NSX Owners Reviews

Sporter Honda NSX second generation - successor legendary model the original generation produced from 1990 to 2005 - the European debut has fed in March 2015 on international Auto Show in Geneva, however his world Premiere It was organized in January in North American Looks, but with the "Acura" emblem.

The car not only doused into the cool "outfit", but also got a rather original design component - what is only worth a hybrid power point with three electric motors. In the countries of the old light, the Dvklika received in April 2016, and in the future it can get to Russia.

Externally, the "second" Honda NSX looks beautiful and spectacular with any angle. Powerful, squat and aerodynamically verified Sport car's body attracts a loaf of lighting equipment with a completely LED "filling", a rapid silhouette with the "rear wings" and the "quartet" of the exhaust system.

In the length, the Japanese coupe consists of 4470 mm, in a height - 1215 mm, in width - 1940 mm, and it accounts for the gap between the axes 2630 mm. In the "battle" condition a car minimally weighs 1711 kg.

The interior of the "Es-Es-Ix" is attractive in appearance and expensive in fact - the seats and most panels are tightened in natural skin, which is diluted with "Decor" from Alcantara and Metal. On the dashboard dominates the liquid crystal display, changing the design depending on the mode of movement, and the embossed multi-steering wheel of the ellipsoid shape falls into the driver.

A strongly inclined central console, placing on itself a color "TV" of the multimedia complex and the original "remote" of the climate system, goes into the "tall" floor tunnel, which defines a couple of cockpits in the cabin with sports chairs.

Specifications. On the Honda NSX of the second generation within the base (for the passenger compartment) placed gas engine V6 3.5 liter with two turbocharger, a 75-degree corner of the collapse and a combined fuel supply, which issues 507 horsepower and 550 Nm of torque at 2000-6000 by / minute. To load the rear axis with a load unit helps a 48-strong electric motor, implanted between DVS and a 9-speed "robot" with two clutches and a torque converter.
In the drive of the front axis, a pair of electric motors of the return 36.5 "mares" and 73 nm each, which are capable of operating in the generator mode and control the thrust vector during the passage of aggregates is used. The maximum hybrid power plant is within the light of the "horses" of power and 645 Nm of torque.

In asphalt disciplines, the second "release" of Honda NSX shows itself from a good side: from the spot to the first 100 km / h, it rushes over 3.8 seconds, and accelerates up to reach 308 km / h.

The "EN-ES-ICSA" is based on a unique multicomponent spatial frame, designed using the ablation casting method. Floor panels are made of carbon fiber, and all body elements are from aluminum and polyester sheet composite. Suspension of both axes - independent on double cross levers With adaptive shock absorbers, which are filled with magnetoreological fluid. For efficient braking, the car corresponds to a powerful system with monoblock hexorrheal calipers in front and four-position rear, ventilated by carbon-ceramic discs of all wheels and a whole set of electronic assistants. Sporter "Skeins" with a rush steering device with electric amplifier Management having progressive characteristics.

Package and prices. In the European market for sale, the Honda NSX second generation was started in April 2016 at a price of 196,300 US dollars (as many as many cars are asked in Germany), and in the foreseeable future, the Japanese may appear in Russia.
In the "base", the coupe has six airbags, leather interior, two-zone "climate", LED optics "in a circle", multimedia complex, virtual instrument panel, ABS, ESP and large number of other modern equipment.

Modifications Honda NSX

Honda NSX 3.0 AT 265 HP

Honda NSX 3.0 MT 280 HP

Classmates Honda NSX for the price

Unfortunately, this model has no classmates ...

Honda NSX Owners Reviews

Honda NSX, 2002

So, what could be better than NSX? Porsche, Ferrari? Unfortunately, I did not ride on them and at the moment I think that better Honda NSX I did not feel anything in my life. This is really a car - a dream. Landing in deep buckets, envelops you dashboard, smoothly leaving somewhere to the handler, making in front of you a comfortable onboard console. Not having time to start a motor, adrenaline fills blood. Lord, really faced the moment when I can click on the pedal of my dreams. MOMO's steering wheel without a gur forces to give 60% of the force with the hands, but this rigidity gives excellent resistance on the road and 100% accuracy, the ability to prescribe turns with incredible accuracy. Honda NSX Suspension Stiffness makes involuntarily make outflows on the bumps. The suspension is very fit. Gas on the first transmission is hysterious before disgrace. And the sound of a motor behind his back makes put pressure on the gas constantly. It seems that your head has a home theater and now show Formula 1.

V6 is unwinding to 8,000 thousand revolutions instantly. The VTEC system makes his business, I think you should not speak as far as the sound is pleasant in the limit range of revolutions. Going out of this car, you feel trembling in your feet. At first, she makes you worry, maybe even fear her. I tried to make friends with Honda NSX, but she always behaves hard! This car is difficult to ride slowly! And as soon as the stream appears a free path - the engine asks to unscrew it. These are not transmitted feelings. Life succeeded! I tried that in Russia I was dust in my wall in the form of a poster. Thank you for attention! Good luck to all in achieving your goals.

Dignity : Dynamics. Appearance.

disadvantages : Practicality.

Igor, Miami

Honda NSX, 2002

Impressions from Honda NSX fantastic. The car rides as tied as on rails. The slightest driving movement - and you are already in the next strip. Everything is easy and easy. Even at speeds under 200. Despite the fact that the suspension is very tough in the car is quite comfortable. New, Tein, has not yet set. Honda NSX provokes everything later to slow down and get close faster to turn. I really hope that in our city will be built, at least some, the racing track, so that not only in the store for bread ride. After the first reversal, I began to closely monitor the position of the steering wheel at the time of blending the gas pedal. The lack of a motor in the front of the car changes the drinker. Although I try to ride only dry light weather, in order to ride a clean car and not to fall into rare pits, like ride and in the rain, the edges of possible are significantly approaching, the excitement inside is played stronger, the back of the Honda NSX becomes extremely naughty. Trekshn control is there, and even works, but it is so delicate that you have time to warm up three times, three times "pah". Literally all pay attention to the car, and some are interested. The most enthusiastic fans are children, especially if I am also a "swing" by the headlights, they just jump in place from pleasure begin, shown with their fingers. The car does not like narrow yards and uneven roads. The lack of the steering wheel amplifier has both pros and cons. Of course, the lack of an amplifier compromise is still the same, in the yard would like less efforts, and in the turning steering wheel. But, in general, apparently Japanese engineers have achieved a golden middle. In the car I like her beauty and simplicity. It does not have extra, in my opinion, details.

Dignity : Rides both on rails. Dynamics. Appearance.

disadvantages : Do not love narrow yards and uneven roads.

Honda NSX was first shown in 1989 as a prototype in Chicago. Today is a symbol of the sports spirit of Honda, combining power, speed and grace.

The streamlined low silhouette, the highest level of finishing, the world's first carrying soliduminum body, on-board computer, security system, leather Salon - Everything is done according to the latest technologies.

Gamma engines is presented: a powerful 3 l DOHC (with two upper camshafts, 256 hp) Maximum speed 260 km / h. It is completed with a 4-speed "automatic", instead of which the Sport Shift system can be installed with an adaptive hydromechanical machine and the ability to switch directly on the steering wheel (F-Matic transmission). And 3.2 liters V6 (280 hp) equipped with VTEC (electronic adjustment of lifting height and valve opening). Maximum speed is 270 km / h. Completed with 6-speed "mechanics". This unit is offered only since 1997.

The NSX salon has a layout of the Double Surround type, which provides both the driver and the passenger is enough space. Canceled ergonomics driver's seatThe accuracy of the steering mechanism and reliable brakes serve as a key to comfortable movement. Otherwise, NSX is distinguished by an unusually large, for a sports car, the number of curved braids, which provides a wonderful review from the driver's seat.

To maintain stability at high speeds, the RTU system is served, and with the oncoming wind and variables road conditions For the same purpose serves as a self-locking differential of increased friction. The four-channel ABS system independently controls disk brakes On all wheels. Honda NSX car equipped electronic system Regulation of traction and inflatable Ryaon 66 aircraft American Du Pont firm.

The standard equipment includes leather insanity of the cabin, cruise and climate control systems, the system of the adjustable engine exhaust and audio system top class BOSE firms. All NSX models are equipped with steering power steering, and since 1994, even more widespread wheels.

In total, there are three versions of the car: NSX, NSX-T (from 1997 with the body of Targa - removable middle part of the roof), NSX-R (manufactured since 1992, lightweight option).

The updated Honda NSX was presented in 2001 on the auto show in Tokyo. Exterior design The car was noticeably upgraded. There was an updated head optics, other configuration of the air intake, as well as the new design of the back - lights for the entire width of the body and the integrated spoiler.

Force aggregate It was inherited from the predecessor - this is a 3.2-liter V6 engine, with a pair with or a new automatic transmission, or a six-speed manual box, to choose from.

In May 2002, a new NSX-R was presented. The manufacturers safely reduced the proportion of soundproofing materials to reduce the weight of the novelties and twice the stiffness of the pendant springs. The power unit remained the same.

In 2004, Honda decided to start the official sales of NSX-R in the UK. Previously, this extreme version of the NSX model was officially sold only in the domestic market in Japan.

This version of Honda NSX-R is equipped with the same six-cylinder engine with a capacity of 276 horsepower as basic modelHowever, it differs from it that the crankshaft in this version has been thorough balancing, thereby ensuring the stability of the engine at the highest turns.

In addition, the news of the novelty is much less previous model Due to the hood and spoiler made of carbon fiber, new Recaro superlong seats with a frame of carbon fiber, an updated steering wheel and a titanium knob of switching lever. Lightweight weight made NSX-R faster, basic version.

Plus, a special fairing establishing the air flow under the bottom of the bottom has been installed on the car. This made it possible to significantly improve the aerodynamic parameters at high speeds.

It should be noted also not to note that the adjustment and suspension of the sports unit, gearbox, brake system, now designed for the wheels of greater dimension, and also appeared an upgraded electronic control damper control system.

In conclusion I will add that soon to change the current model Honda NSX must come perfect new car, the development of which is nearing completion. Prototype new super coupe Honda. Received Honda HSC (Honda Sports Concept). The other name is due to the fact that the novelty is a completely different car that has nothing to do with the previous version.

We also note that in the US, Honda NSX is sold under the ACURA NSX brand, A in Japan called Honda Verno.

Honda NSX with dignity combines high technical data and stylistic sophistication.

Honda NSX.

Honda NSX.

common data

3.2-liter, 6-cylinder with V-shaped cylinders, 280 hp at 7300 rpm, torque 31.0 kg / m at 5300 rpm.

5 MCPP, 6 MCPP

Specifications

Mass-overalls

Dynamic

Acceleration up to 100 km / h: 5.7 sec.

On the market

Development

According to the former head of the Nobukhiko Cavamoto Development Department (Nobuhiko Kawamoto), the start of the Honda sports car project was given to its development and testing, such legendary individuals like Sanzima Sanzima, Bobi Rahal and Ayrton Senna. In 1984, Honda authorized PinInfarina to design HP-X (Honda PinInfarina Xperimental), with 2.0 l engine V6 central location. The design of NSX was produced by a team of Igens headed by the main designer of Ken Ochuyam and the Executive Chiger Engineer Shigeru, who also answered the Honda S2000 project. For the first time, NSX was represented by the public on the Chicago Auto Display in February 1989, and in the Tokyo Motor Show in October 1989. The fact of the appearance of NSX has had a huge impact on automakers in its sector. So the designer McLaren F1 Gordon Marie mentioned in his interview that the Honda breakthrough in the development of NSX had a huge influence on him, and after the test arrival made completely change the guidelines when designing McLaren F1. At first sight model Honda. NSX seems a bit strange: on the one hand, completely aluminum body, and on the other - a 6-cylinder engine, standing in front of the body in order to leave a place for the rear trunk, in which you can put a bag with golf accessories. In fact, it is nothing more than delusion, which is explained by the fact that at that time there were many such experts who believed and wrote that the designers of Honda instead of consistently achieve the main goal - to increase the efficiency of their car, distracted by all sorts of second little things. On the question of use in the NSX 6-cylinder engine gave an exhaustive response to the chief engineer of the project Mr. Werehara. He said that otherwise could not be, as NSX is a middle class car, no more.

Production

The mass production of NSX has been established at the Takanowzawa factory in Totigi, built specifically for this project. In mass production, the NSX was used the body of a monolithic structure, made entirely of aluminum. Most of the nodes of this car are collected manually. When organizing production, about 200 experienced specialists from other Honda factories were drawn to the plant.

Specifications

For comparison, NSX accelerated from 0 to 100 for 5.03 s, and Ferrari for 5.2 s. The best fixed result from NSX on a quarter mile was 12.6 p. And this is despite the fact that Ferrari was more powerful by 20 hp. (300 in Ferrari against 280 NSX). It was possible to achieve such an effect only provided that the engine that was planned to put on the machine should not be just powerful, but also to be compact and not too heavy. And at that time, Honda has already developed the original VTEC system (system of changing the phases of gas distribution), which made it possible to achieve the desired speed characteristic from just a 3.2-liter engine. The crosslocation of the engine also has its explanation. The essence came down to the fact that the designers were important to press the engine as close as possible to the ground, but it was impossible to increase the wheelbase, because it was no less important to achieve the machine to make the impression of monolith. Only one thing remained - to position the motor right in the middle between the front and rear bridge. And how was it to do, if you do not turn it on 90 degrees and put it not along, and across the body? In order to achieve the same dynamics when longitudinal location Motor, it would have to increase the wheelbase, and this was extremely undesirable.

Since when designing NSX, engineers were able to achieve ravings 50:50 between the right and left side of the car, and because of this, she was able to achieve excellent results in the wheeled races (Red Ring, Le Mans, Moscow Ring).

In 1992, a modification of Type R appeared, which still remains on a wave of great popularity.

Technical characteristics of the car Honda NSX-R

Full length: 4 430 mm. Full width: 1 810 mm. Full height: 1 160 mm. Wheelbase: 2 530 mm. Machine weight: 1 270 kg. Drive: on rear wheels. Engine: 3.2-liter 6-cylinder with V-shaped cylinder arrangement, DOHC gas distribution mechanism, developing power 206 kW (280 hp) at 7,300 rpm, the largest torque is 304 nm (31.0 kg m) at 5,300 rpm. Transmission: 6-speed manual box

First generation NSX-R (JDM)

In early 1992, Honda produced a limited batch (483 pcs.) NSX-RTS exclusively for Japanese domestic market (JDM). The main changes included the stock engine with a power of 280 hp (209 kW), refinement of the gearbox, a more powerful brake system and an extensive weight cut from 1350 kg to 1230 kg. NSX-R was focused as much as possible, in connection with this, sound insulation, audio system and air conditioning in pursuit of weight reduction were sacrificed. All these components ceased to enter the basic supply, although they remained optionally available. Production of this model ended in 1994.

In 1997, as a result of partial modernization on equipment, equipped with mechanical box gear shifting, the engine volume was increased to 3.2 liters, and due to improving the suspension improved significantly driving performance car. In 2001, a partial change was also conducted with the machine. The design of the exterior was changed, in particular, the body received a new front optics. Another one appeared new modification. After all of the foregoing, back again back to the assessment of directly running qualities. And here it turns out that the Honda NSX car is a completely unique project. The model has existed for more than 18 years, and nevertheless, it still has not lost its relevance, and even against the background of modern analogues is able to captivate and charm. After all, if done new modelBy following an old concept, then only due to the improvement of the "aluminum" technology, you can reduce the weight of the machine to 1 100 kg. This is if not changing its size. Of course, if you increase the size of the car, and equip it, according to modern requirements, then weighing in it will increase, however, in this case, everything can be limited to 1,300 kilograms. For a car with a similar weight, a 6-cylinder V-shaped engine with a working volume of 3.5 liters and with a power of 300 to 350 hp It would be more than sufficient. And the fuel consumption would remain low. It is possible even that with an increase in the size of the body, the engine could not be put on top, but along the car. Well, and then - further, of course, there are even more tempting prospects associated with the advent of the 8-cylinder engine. All this is completely not contrary to the NSX concept, which was chosen even then, in previous years, but which is now quite suitable for the release of a modern sports car.

In short, if the Honda designers set themselves the task of developing on the basis of NSX ultra-speed sport car, they would have happened in the very best of sight. For Honda, it would be all the more important that another such an impressive car was simply left.

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"Honda NSX" is a Japanese-made sports car, which was produced in two generations. For the first time the model was born in the 90th year. Since 2015, the second generation of data of sports cars is performed. What does the street racers love this car? "Honda NSX": a photo and review of the car, see our current article.

First, consider the first generation of sports cars. In the second half of the article, a new "Honda NSX" will be presented 2015-2017. So, proceed to the detailed review.

Car design

Fashion of the beginning of the 90s is the so-called blind headlights. This style was so popular that even Bavarians from "BMW" came to him (the legendary 31st body).

"Honda NSX" (photo of this unique car, see our article) has a bright and dynamic style. Especially spectacular car looks in red.

In front - a compact bumper with fog-tanks and white turn signals and massive arches, protruding the line of the embossed hood. On the side - a cutout for air intake and neat thresholds. Nearby is the benzobacing hatch. If you look closely, you can see the difference in width and diameter wheel disks. On the rear axis They are more massive. Since the machine is rear-wheel drive, it has a positive effect on the hook during acceleration. Plus, the whole is a wide "ass" making the car more aggressive. The roof is black, but the mirrors are painted in the body color.

Restyling

From 2002 to 2005, a restyling "Honda NSX" was reserved. Reviews say that the car has acquired a more modern appearance. Restyling model lost blind optics. Now this is a separate block of headlights, with integrated turn signals. There are no fog. Instead of them in the bottom of the bumper, there is a cutout for air intake.

The car is still equipped with disks. The roof is now painted in the body color, and the spoiler has become less high. The main features of Honda are preserved. Restyling only refreshed the appearance of a two-door sports car.

By the way, the Honda NSX market went under the Akura emblem. Externally and technically these are two identical cars.

The interior of the first generation

"Honda NSX" - the car is very low, and even in order to somehow compensate the shortage of space, the driver and passenger are in the "half-chase" condition. Naturally, to organize comfort, the manufacturer needed to change the geometry of the panel. So, a distinctive feature of the Japanese coupe was the tilt, oblong central console.

The photo presents the Japanese version, with the right steering wheel. As you can see, lever manual brakes tilted closer to the passenger. Steering wheel - three-spin, with a safety pillow and a pair of buttons. Instrument panel - analog type, without on-board computer. Despite compact dimensionsHere there is a glove box and armrest. The latter also provides a niche for things. Doors cards are a bit elongated "bottom-up" to the front panel. Seats - leather, with bright side support.

Honda NSX has a good range of adjustments - there are reviews of motorists and owners. Despite the low clearance, the landing in the car is quite comfortable.

Specifications of the Japanese car

One of the distinctions of sports "Honda" is the right wave. It was possible to achieve this thanks to the special placement of the engine. It is not installed under the hood, as usual, and behind the displacement in the salon. Such manipulation made it possible to increase the handling and maneuverability of the car.

"Honda NSX" of the first generation was completed with a 6-cylinder gasoline aggregate of 3 liters. Its power due to the forcing was 274 horsepower. The motor was distinguished by an aluminum block and VTEC phase system. Motor easily spun up to 8 thousand revolutions.

As for transmissions, there was a five-speed mechanic on NSX. They like this particular gearboxes. Honda NSX also also equipped with an automatic box for 4 bands. It is very rare on these models.

As for the dynamics, japanese car It turned out very greasy. Due to the use of lightweight aluminum body and high-breasted motor, its maximum speed was 270 kilometers per hour. Acceleration to hundreds held 5.2 seconds. Up to 200 km / h, the car accelerated in 19 seconds. For the 90s, these were record characteristics. At the moment most coupe this class Have higher dynamic indicators.

Second Generation - Design

After an almost 10-year-old pause, the second generation of Honda NSX sports cars was published. The characteristics of the car improved noticeably. But first about the design.

The appearance of a sports car only remotely resembles the first generation.

The silhouette turned out to be more aggressive and rapidly. In the body, more than a thousand new details were used. The front feed is characterized by a wide radiator grille, massive air intakes and "angry" optics. Arches with huge disks are still discovered from under the hood. The side air intake moved up. Mirrors have become more oblong. The roof on Honda is now panoramic. On the side of the car has a streamlined, drowned silhouette.

The back of "Honda" looks no less effectively. Previously, the Japanese used solid optics. Now these are two separate lamps. By the way, they are LED. Bumper cars - with bright cuts under the fence of air. Spoiler in the new generation removed. But it did not affect maneuverability and car handling, because the car coefficient is 0.26 cx.

As for sizes, the car is very low. The length of the car is 4.5 meters, the height is only 1.2 meters, but the width is almost 2 meters. Unlike the first generation, "Honda NSX" "recovered" by 400 kilograms in a curb state. Now the car weighs 1710 kilograms.

Salon

Inside "En-Es-X" looks luxurious and presentable. Did not deprive the designers "Honda" and sportiness. So, inside there are seats with pronounced support, as well as the Red Alcantara. The shape of the steering wheel has changed to the ellipsoid. Added buttons. The central console is still strongly inclined. There appeared multimedia display. Instead of the usual lever, the PPC is now installed "Washer Cruffle". The interior uses only high-quality finish materials. Everywhere you can see aluminum and chrome inserts.

The instrument panel has changed. Instead of the usual shooter here, a colored liquid crystal screen. The panel can change the design depending on the driving mode (sports or "comfort").

Technical characteristics of the new "Honda"

The Japanese seriously modified technical part. Thus, the old 6-cylinder V-shaped motor was equipped with two turbocharger and combined fuel supply. The volume of cylinders also increased. So, at 3.5 liters, the engine gives 507 horsepower. Torque - 550 nm. An important feature is due to the turbocharger (and not a turbine) there are no craving failures. Torque is available from 2 thousand revolutions. And this is despite the fact that it is easily spinning up to 8-9 thousand.

New NSX - hybrid?

Time is coming, technology is changing. What is it all? The fact is that in addition to the main petrol aggregate In "Honda" uses an electric motor with a capacity of 48 kilowatt. Its torque is 73 nm. This engine is installed between the main unit and the 9-speed robotic gearbox. By the way, the transmission is completed with two clutches and a hydraulic transformer. The usual mechanics are no longer. In the amount of the electric motor, the Honda NSX sports car is 572 horsepower, and the torque is 645 nm.

Dynamics

The car "Honda NSX" has good dynamic indicators. Overclocking up to hundreds of kilometers per hour takes no more than 3.8 seconds. Maximum speed compared to previous generation increased by 14 percent and is 308 kilometers per hour.

Chassis

The bearing element in the design of the Japanese sports car is a spatial multicomponent frame. Japanese engineers argue that it was made by the ablation casting method. Floor elements are made of lightweight carbon fiber. Most body details Made of leaf polyester composite and carbon fiber. The suspension is independent front and rear, built on transverse double levers. Shock absorbers are filled with magnetoreological fluid, have an adaptive function (Sport mode, "Comfort").

Brake system Car - disk. Series use 6-piston calipers. Rear - 4-piston. Brake discs Made of ceramics. This is the most energy-intensive and durable material. Steering - Rack type, complemented by an electric amplifier with progressive characteristics.

The cost and equipment of the new "Honda"

Officially, Honda NSX 2 generations are not supplied to the Russian market. The initial cost of the car - 198 thousand dollars. Already in the basic configuration, the machine has the following set of options:

  • Frontal I. side pillows Safety in total 6 pcs.
  • Dual-zone climate control.
  • LED optics in front and rear.
  • Digital instrument panel.
  • Leather seats and multicoral finish.

Conclusion

So, we found out what Honda NSX has specifications, design and price. Should I buy such a car? Expert reviews declare that the machine is not adapted for russian market. Only units will be taken for its service. Official service centers, like dealers, no in the Russian Federation. Buy it wisely only when large location budget.